@jminer Ignoring the environmental stuff, I've driven a few (Taycan 4S, original Roadster old Leaf etc) and ultimately they're only as bad as the ICE equivalents. They are all dynamically impressive due to weight distribution, but they did somewhat lack in feel and soul compared to SOME equivalent ICE cars. They felt a little like a robot for me. I personally think the main contributing factors to a fun car is a good noise, low weight, tactile steering and communicative throttle/braking. Most modern ICE don't even deliver on many of them due to the vast amounts of unnecessary technology they include as standard today, but 90% of older cars do, I'd say up to about E9X 3 Series was when these cars were in the mainstream. EVs have the potential to deliver on most, but some they just can't do as well, and regulations and the current marketplace mean that it's unlikely it'll happen except in very niche scenarios, and even then probably won't have a patch on a G Series 911 for example. Then again, the same can be said for modern ICE. What I'm trying to say is that an engine isn't the only contributing factor to fun and passion in a car, but when done right it beats nearly anything out there in those respects.