1st Impressions: Kumho Ecsta V730 200-Treadwear Tire
AkursedX last edited by AkursedX
"What tire should I run?" is an incredibly common question in the world of autocross and one that can certainly elicit many suggestions and strong opinions.
For this coming SCCA Solo-Autocross season, it is a question that even seasoned veterans might be facing as one of the best-performing tires, the Bridgestone RE71-R is being discontinued with no replacement from Bridgestone being offered. While most people are going to switch over to the Yokohama ADVAN A052, Falken Azenis RT660, BF Goodrich G-Force Rival-S, or the Goodyear F1 Supercar 3, there are a couple of other tires hitting the market for this season.
I have decided to purchase one of these new potential contenders, the Kumho Ecsta V730.
The Kumho V730 courtesy of Tirerack's website
There has been very little information out on these tires yet, so I wanted to put together a comprehensive post with my own first impressions as well as input from some people who have driven them.
EDIT: Here is my second review on this tire now that I actually have spent time driving on and autocrossing it: https://opposite-lock.com/topic/14232/kumho-v730-autocross-review
What is it?
The Kumho V730 is Kumho Tire's latest venture into the 'Extreme Performance' 200-Treadwear-Tire-War. It is replacing the V720, which was more or less hot-garbage due to a rather serious delamination-issue.
An example of the delamination on a Kumho V720
While this would be very concerning and probably shying people away from running another Kumho tire, we also have to remember that Kumho also developed the V720-ACR. The V720-ACR was a tire specially developed for the 2016 Dodge Viper ACR and while only available in two sizes (Which makes it illegal for SCCA competition), it is regarded as one of, if not the best performing 200 treadwear tire of all time.
The Kumho V730 seems to have taken most of its design cues from the V720-ACR rather than the V720 (It appears that it is not the same compound as the V720-ACR, although I have not been able to 100% confirm that yet). The outer half of the tire is effectively a slick as the tread pattern cut into those sections are only roughly 2-3/32nds deep at their deepest (Based on my measurements) while tapering up as they get closer to the center. Towards the inside, there are two large channels to move water with a thick center-rib. Once again, the tread pattern on the rib isn't very deep at all. Finally, the inner-most tread has a trapezoidal design that is a shared trait between all the Kumho Tires mentioned.
The V720-ACR on the left and the new V730 on the right
When I got these tires in a few days ago, my first thoughts were "Wow, I know I'm not going to use these in rain!" This tire has pretty much sacrificed all aquaplaning protection in place of maximum dry grip. Like prviously mentioned, the outer half of this tire is closer to a slick than an actual street tire.
I am also expecting these tires to be louder than the Bridgestone RE-71R's that they are replacing and I expect them to get very loud as they wear. Aside from the two main center-channels, the rest of the tread pattern is going to disappear quickly.
From a feel and fingernail test, these tires seem to play the part of an autocross tire. Once you rub through the initial surface, the compound feels quite grippy. The sidewall feels stiff and the tire bead area is very thick. I am looking forward to actually getting these mounted and on the road. For a 255 tire, it is on the thinner size compared to some of its rivals. While this might sacrifice ultimate grip due to a smaller contact patch, I'm expecting this tire to have a good, precise feel on my class-limited 9" wide wheel.
Since this tire is of an asymmetric design, it can be rotated to all 4 corners rather than just front-to-back. But that also means that the tires can't be flipped on the wheel like the RE-71R or the RT660 if and when the outer edge gets too worn. With that said, I'd probably expect premature tire life on a camber-limited car. I have 3.4* of negative camber in the front of my car and still wear the outer edge of my tires faster than the inner.
Another thing I have yet to touch on is that these tires are relatively cheap. At ~$600 for the set in 255/40-R17, they are cheaper than the Falken RT 660 by ~$40 and the Yokohama A052 by over $275!
My personal set of the V730
As I previously mentioned, there isn't much actual real-world information on V730 yet. I have found two people who have driven these and have provided some fairly in-depth feedback:
"Kumho v730 feedback: tire size used is 225/40-18 which is stock size for the Corolla hatch xse.
This is my daily that I ran at a local track cross ( event similar to hillclimb)
Conditions were not ideal, it was about 38 degrees in the morning runs and 46 in the afternoon runs.
Sidewall is very stiff, even with factory camber on a heavy FWD car the fronts had no rollover with 33psi air pressure, in fact I probably could have dropped a few pounds ( but I was having oversteer so decided to leave it)
These tires are very temperature dependant, but not to the extent of a Hankook rs3/4 or BF Goodrich Rivals. They become predictable with a tread temp around 80° so that's not bad at all.
I was having some oversteer issues only because it's hard to build heat in the rears on a FWD car, tire blankets helped tremendously in the A.M. ( thanks Danny Kao for lending them!)
I dropped rear pressures to 30psi warm and that made a night and day difference. These tires like lower pressures it seems.
Breakaway characteristics appear smooth, however the Corolla has soft suspension so that might be masking that characteristic...
2 things to be aware of with these tires;
the mold release takes a while to get through and until then you will think these tires are garbage. These tires must be scuffed or it could be dangerous.
The carcass is similar to a Hoosier, it can introduce shockload to the drivetrain. The Corolla doesn't have enough power to break the tires lose but Im sure if it did wheelhop could be a concern. This isn't a drawback, just a note.
Overall grip is amazing, but I'll need to compare this tire on my xA to give an accurate review against other tires in that department.
These tires have great potential, I look forward to see how these stack up."
"Weather came through and I got to finally try the new kumho v730. It is very fast. Steering response is great, sidewall is pretty firm. More direct feeling than re71r. It does very well in the cold, but I can definitely tell its getting more sticky after couple laps. Did not feel mushy even when it got hot, although today amb. temp was barely over 40. The best part is how it behaves at the limit. Rs4, re71r or even a052 at the limit you can feel the car plowing and u feel that vibration through your steering wheel. This tire doesn’t. You can over drive it and it will have very very subtle gentle push but it will still let u make the turn. I did not hit a single cone whole day, it is so predictable and communicative. The wear is awesome, it barely touched the outer edge tread and I can 100% say this is the best tire for camber challenged cars. I can tell these tires will last 2x longer + than a052 or re71. I think I need more seat time when weather gets warmer, but kumho is definitely onto something. Was fastest rwd today. U can think of them as tires with steering feel of cup2, grip level of rt660, life/wear similar to direzza z3, and overwhelming overdrive capability."
My STX-Prepped Mazda RX-8 that I will be running the Kumho V730 on.
Here is a comparison of the Kumho V730 versus a few of it's direct competitors. Note: These comparisons are all off the same 255/40-R17 size using prices and measurements from Tirerack.com . Obviously different sizes will have different prices and measurements but this information can provide a basic outline of the data. You will see that while these are all the same sized tire, actual measurements are quite different.
Tire: Kumho Ecsta V730
Tread Width: 8.9" on 9" wheel
Starting Tread Depth: 8.5/32"
Tire: Falken Azenis RT660
Tread Width: 9.3" on 9" wheel
Starting Tread Depth: 8/32"
Tire: Yokohama Advan A052
Tread Width: 9.4" on 9" wheel
Starting Tread Depth: 7/32"
Tire: Bridgestone RE-71R
Price: $182.91 (Still in stock at TireRack at the time of this post)
Tread Width: 8.9" on 9" wheel
Starting Tread Depth: 8/32"
Tire: BF Goodrich G-Force Rival S 1.5
Tread Width: 9" on 9" wheel
Starting Tread Depth: 7.2/32"
So in conclusion, the Kuhmo Ecsta V730 seems like it has a chance at becoming a viable choice as an autocross tire. As long as it can at least match the performance of the Falken Azenis RT660, I think it will become a popular tire choice. But there are still a lot of questions out there about it. Will it be a dud and end up having issues like the V720 or will it be a fun, grippy, high performing tire like the V720-ACR? Only time will answer this as well as a tire-comparison test from Grassroots Motorsports which I'm sure will be on the way.
(March 8th Edit)
Here is a video of me doing a bit of an overview of the tire. I hope to get my car back together soon so I can do a follow-up of some actual street-time on it!
@akursedx interested in how you like these! Im leaning towards RT660 for the Mini and Yokos for the Vette tho
@italianjobr53 I'm not expecting these to be a 'game-changer' tire. But as long as they are at least competitive with the RT660, I think it will be a success. I was going to buy a set of A052's for this season but the price was just too much for me to spend considering that I'm an average autocrosser. I'm competitive in my class in my local regions, but I'm still a fair bit off of the 'pro-class' guys and I don't see a set of tires making up the difference (I just need to be a better driver). I also know that a lot of those fast guys generally don't like to try new things until someone else has first. I decided to be 'someone else' this time! It does seem that this tire has great feel based on the reviews. My car has always been rather twitchy so I'm hoping this improved feel (Along with my suspension changes) are going to help correct this issue resulting in me being a smoother, more consistent driver.
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@akursedx the yokos are worth about ½ to 1 second on a 40 second course from what I've seen and experienced...
@italianjobr53 Yeah, that seems to be a safe estimate. They are as fast as they are expensive! There is also the Nankang CR-1 coming out and that seems to be on the level of the Yokohama but I don't know if they are going to have enough sizes to make it SCCA legal. I'm actually hoping to purchase a set of them as well when the 265/35-R18 becomes available if our local regions give me the ok to run it.
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@akursedx From what I've read, they require more heat to be fast and even then they aren't as fast as the yokos...
Im just waiting to see what bridgestone comes up with next since they stopped making re71 (allegedly)
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Haven’t seen anything on an RE71R replacement yet (Bridgestone employee), but I have noticed dwindling numbers of them in the warehouses with little to no replenishment. The two we have in our stockroom are both old; one had a DOT date code of 2015 so it can’t even be sold.
@italianjobr53 It's pretty much confirmed that the RE71-R is done. Bridgestone does have the RE-71RS out in Japan. I was honestly set on buying them and had gathered a ton of info on them from foreign sites in preparation of an article like the one I just wrote. Then I found out from multiple different posts and sources that they weren't bringing the RS to the USA. Bummer.
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doesn't seem like it's available in the UK yet, not that I'm in the market for new tyres
@akursedx yup, thats what i heard as well
Probably why I got my current set of REs for the vette so cheap
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There is a tire in my system called the RE71-Z, but from what little information I can find it’s a special run flat designed specifically for R35s.
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@akursedx @ItalianJobR53 Having not paid attention, it was news to me that the consensus yesterday at the first event seemed to be that the Yokohama's were the new hotness. Apparently they responded best when cold, though, so I am skeptical about how they will be in the summer in the Carolinas.
I guess I didn't know that RE-71Rs are no more. I'll have to start research on my next tires, which is annoying now that I've gotten used to setting up for the Bridgestones.
@limitedtimeonly RT660s respond pretty similarly to RE71Rs if you are looking for similar tires
The Yokos are less sharp on initial turn in but offer waaay more grip than REs, especially straight line grip.
Do not worry about if they can handle the heat, they can. I've ran em on 90F+ days on my Vette on big courses and they are fine...just make sure to spray them down after every run. Basically start spraying after your 2nd if not 1st run, the colder the better. I've had to spray em down twice between runs sometimes...
As a shameless plug, I am posting a link to my Youtube video on this tire. My friend and I have been wanting to collaborate on some videos for awhile now (Covid kind of ruined it for the past year but we are both now vaccinated) and this is my first go at this type of thing! Our long-term plan is to start reviewing cars similar to an 'Everyday Driver' type of show but with used and modded cars.
(I'm going to add the video to the main post as well)
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@akursedx Wow, that is a very educational video. Nice job.
I hadn't noticed that the Yokohama Advent A052s were asymmetric. I may have to move to the Falken Azenis RT660 so that I can flip 'em and get more life while driving my camber-limited street class car.
I might be able to get more than one more event out of my current RE-71Rs. I'm not sure if I'm going to look for used RE-71Rs, although I considered it.
@limitedtimeonly flipping A052's probably isn't too much of a falloff as the compound on that tire is remarkably fast from new to the cords. You still are going to lose relative grip though in comparison to the outer half. But yeah, on a camber-limited car, the A052's are a bit of a risk as the real fast guys will wear that outer edge super-quick. I think a remedy to this would be to run a narrower Yokohama. Some many of these tires that wear fast are usually bulged heavily as they are putting as much tire as they can on the wheel they are limited to.
I actually plan on buying a set of A052's for my extra 18x9 wheels. While I'd normally run a265/35-R18 tire, I am actually going to run a 255/35-R18 on it. The 265 A052 is measured at over 10" and thats too much of a bulge on a 9" wheel IMO. While it technically works, I imagine it's rather spongy and sloppy feeling. Plus the 255/35-R18 is almost identical in diameter to the 255/40-R17 that I currently run.