Welp, going to be in the market again.
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody lol I wish I knew that as well. I have been eyeballing the AWD Ecoboost models. 2016+ have Android Auto and Apple CarPlay. I am insanely hesitant with it being a Ford product but I am also looking at getting one. I know some people on here have owned them in the past.
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@gettingoldercarguy I just took my sister’s Ascent on a mini road trip. The nannies are annoying but it drives nice. Handles well, plenty of power and the CVT feels fine. She’s owned Mazda 3 hatchbacks for the last fifteen years and loves her Subie.
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@DuckDuckGreyDuck said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@CoolMinivan-Nobody Ford Flex?
Worth a look, how are they reliability wise?
My understanding is that they're pretty solid. Only thing to watch out for is the internal waterpump that's driven off the timing chain.
60% of the time, my Jeep runs every time.
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@gettingoldercarguy said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@CoolMinivan-Nobody cvt in 2019 is sus. 2020 is fixed. Engine is motherfumping bulletproof.
Cool.
I'll check one out.
I had heard the Turbo Motor in them was a lump, they must have changed at some point.2019 Chrysler Pacifica S.
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@Man-With-A-Reliable-Jeep said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@CoolMinivan-Nobody said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@DuckDuckGreyDuck said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@CoolMinivan-Nobody Ford Flex?
Worth a look, how are they reliability wise?
My understanding is that they're pretty solid. Only thing to watch out for is the internal waterpump that's driven off the timing chain.
I'll see if I can find one to check out. I always liked the looks of them.
What would be the go to? An Ecoboost one?2019 Chrysler Pacifica S.
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@Man-With-A-Reliable-Jeep said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@CoolMinivan-Nobody said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@DuckDuckGreyDuck said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@CoolMinivan-Nobody Ford Flex?
Worth a look, how are they reliability wise?
My understanding is that they're pretty solid. Only thing to watch out for is the internal waterpump that's driven off the timing chain.
I'll see if I can find one to check out. I always liked the looks of them.
What would be the go to? An Ecoboost one?The Duratec V6 and Ecoboost probably aren't too far off in terms of durability. If you like having extra power on tap, go for the EB. I think the only drawback to that, in my opinion, is the typical added complexity and potential failure points inherent with a forced induction motor.
60% of the time, my Jeep runs every time.
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody They're pretty stout. Also, it should be possible to swap in a 22+ WRX ecu and the sti drivetrain which would get rid of the nannies, give you a manual, etc.
#modlyfecrisis victim
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@gettingoldercarguy said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@CoolMinivan-Nobody They're pretty stout. Also, it should be possible to swap in a 22+ WRX ecu and the sti drivetrain which would get rid of the nannies, give you a manual, etc.
Not interested in working on something.....
Something reliable and enjoyable right out of the box is my goal.2019 Chrysler Pacifica S.
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody understand, roughly 300wtq is the limit of the cvt for reliability.
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody I knew a guy who put like half a million kms on one delivering newspapers, which is extremely difficult on cars.
All Flex owners I've known of seem to like them. I've also heard they eat brakes
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@Man-With-A-Reliable-Jeep Weren't the engines used in the NA ones (and other Ford products of the late 00s-early 10s) the ones w/ the water pump behind the timing chain that likes to die in the 135-150k range where you need to pull the engine to change it?
In Lucas we (don't) trust. All things Saab, old British cars, and general shitboxes.
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@Black-Villain said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@Man-With-A-Reliable-Jeep Weren't the engines used in the NA ones (and other Ford products of the late 00s-early 10s) the ones w/ the water pump behind the timing chain that likes to die in the 135-150k range where you need to pull the engine to change it?
Yeah, I think so. I believe I mentioned that initially - but yeah, a WP service is pretty much a timing chain service and vice versa. I'm not crazy about designs like that, but when it comes to cars, you have to decide which engineering SNAFUs you can put up with.
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I'm late to the party, but if you're willing to go 5 passenger, would a traditional sedan work out? How important is utility space?
A camry or accord may be too price (and not suit your preferences), but there's gotta be some other sedans that fit your needs. And mid/large sedans probably the least "hot" cars out there. Everybody wants a CUV. Minivans still seem to hold value for the people that actually need them (and they're pricey to start with, so getting to your budget has its own set of issues).
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@DuckDuckGreyDuck said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@CoolMinivan-Nobody Ford Flex?
Worth a look, how are they reliability wise?
PLEASE DO NOT BUY ONE. Everyone I know who has had one, has regretted it. They eat wheel bearings like candy, brakes even more often. They have pretty glaring suspension geometry issues, power steering racks on the hydro equipped models ALL leak, the rebuilt racks don't get new pinion shafts so they leak too, and they were made on the first couple years so ford never bothered to make a better heat treated batch of shafts, the electric racks have issues too.
They are HEAVY and ride as such.
I spent many years maintaining one for a friend of mine who isn't mechanically inclined. I REJOICED when he traded it in.
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@foghat1981 Traditional sedan may work. The Legacy 3.6 is on my list, but I feel the Outback might be more versatile.
I actually enjoyed the Camry, but it's a little cramped for 5. I assume the Accord is the same case. Not many large sedans out there anymore that work well for 5. Most are 4 passenger with a 5th in a pinch, which wouldn't work when we needed to road trip.
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@nerd_racing said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@CoolMinivan-Nobody said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@DuckDuckGreyDuck said in Welp, going to be in the market again.:
@CoolMinivan-Nobody Ford Flex?
Worth a look, how are they reliability wise?
PLEASE DO NOT BUY ONE. Everyone I know who has had one, has regretted it. They eat wheel bearings like candy, brakes even more often. They have pretty glaring suspension geometry issues, power steering racks on the hydro equipped models ALL leak, the rebuilt racks don't get new pinion shafts so they leak too, and they were made on the first couple years so ford never bothered to make a better heat treated batch of shafts, the electric racks have issues too.
They are HEAVY and ride as such.
I spent many years maintaining one for a friend of mine who isn't mechanically inclined. I REJOICED when he traded it in.
Well, that sounds less than enjoyable.
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody Yah, outback's back seat is going to be similar to Accord/Camry, but that extra wagon space will be a nice offset.
With respect to larger sedans that could handle 5 more readily....Chrysler 300? Impala or whatever was the last big Buick? Avalon? Maxima? May be too old, but Ford Taurus? Larger Lincoln? None of those are exactly "hot" and may fall into that magical "old person who takes care of it but doesn't drive much" category. I know you're not afraid of older cars, so possibly could work?
Comfy with big trunks...but still a sedan not wagon/cuv/van.
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody You claim bad experiences with Honda Odysseys, yet the one we’ve owned for 15 years has been nothing but fantastic. It’s basically an oversized hot hatch and with ~240 hp is genuinely fast enough to be fun, plus it’s been extremely reliable for us. IIRC it’s a second gen Odyssey, so no transmission issues. It has the stow-away style seats you like and seats 7 passengers in comfort, and they’re inexpensive on the used market so if you really want maximum fun you have the budget for something silly like coilovers to sharpen up the handling. Don’t sleep on all Odysseys because you didn’t like one, some of them are great.
Other than that, you have very few options outside of a full size van, which I guess you could at least put a rowdy exhaust on and make V8 noises. Look up Dajiban vans from Japan, they’ve figured out how to make Dodge non-mini vans go fast, handle well, and sound great. Anything they can do, you could do.
If you’re looking for sedans/wagons, you might look for a Dodge Magnum. Those are fun from what I hear, same platform as the charger and Chrysler 300 but wagon so much more practical, should seat 5 comfortably. And if you can afford an SRT8 then it has 425 hp.
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@awesomeaustinv Our 2015 Odyssey was traded off at 50k miles. In that time it had the engine replaced, transmission replaced, and was plagued with electronic issues. It drove like a wet noodle and was noisy AF on the highway.
The 2018 I test drove offered the same driving experience and obnoxious road noise.
I'm glad you like yours, but between my experiences with them and my complete hatred for driving them, they're not a consideration.I don't need the power and would get a 3.6 powered Charger/300 if they were on the list, but the Pacifica has soured me on getting another Chrysler for a while.
2019 Chrysler Pacifica S.
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody If you always judge [brand] by their new or old stuff, you will miss out on all the good stuff they’ve made. Every brand is hit or miss with quality, even Toyota has had their off days. I can absolutely believe 2015+ Odysseys are terrible, but ours is a 2005. Go back ten years and you’re basically dealing with a whole different company as the way they operate changes for better or for worse. This is why I take issue with judging brands by a particular model/year/engine/etc. and deciding never to choose that brand again.
Mostly I bring this up because you seem to have shopped yourself into a corner of needs/wants for which nobody really makes what you’re asking for, and some of the closest options you have refused. You’re going to have to compromise somewhere, sometimes you can’t have everything, and you need to choose something you’re not thrilled about, but it doesn’t mean you’ll never have fun again - it just means that might not be for the best in this season.
I don’t mean to be unsympathetic either, I’m having to give up a car that makes me very happy as well, and I’ve been kicking and screaming all the way to accepting that this is for the best. Sometimes what we want and what we need doesn’t align, and that looks to be the case for both of us. I hope you can find something you like that fits your needs, just don’t let “it’s not fun” be the deciding factor that keeps you from buying something reliable and practical that you can actually use without worry during a difficult time.
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@awesomeaustinv Here's the deal, I refuse to buy something I don't enjoy driving, period.
The Odyssey/Sienna is firmly on that list. We've had multiple Toyota/Honda vehicles spanning the early 2000s to the mid 2010s, they've all been nothing but issues.I'm specifically looking 2017+, if I wanted to buy an older vehicle, I'd say F it all and buy another 2nd gen Caravan/Voyager as I know they're stout and easily maintained.
I'm not asking for someone to shove their view down my throat. Being fun and being enjoyable to drive daily are two completely different things. If I want fun, I'll go buy a Hellcat. Enjoyable doesn't mean it has to be fast or insane handling, it means I enjoy my time behind the wheel. Be that utmost comfort that still drives nicely or be that a good sporting feel. It means I don't want a soul sucking rolly pig that I hate. It doesn't matter how reliable it is, if I hate driving it it will leave my driveway quickly.
I've currently got 5 options I'm looking at, all of which are reliable options, all of which are in the year/mileage I want, all of which should be enjoyable to drive in their own rights.
The Sedona is a pure luxury cruiser that still feels composed when needed and is proven to be an easy 250k mile vehicle with minimal fuss.
The Outback and Legacy 3.6Rs are nice cars that offer a punchy/linear flat 6, AWD for excursions, and nice amenities. They're supposed to be damn stout cars that have no issue racking up miles with minimal maintenance.
The Transit Connect is a more utility based minivan that offers a great tossable nature at the expense of some luxury. It also offers great economy thanks to it's 2.5L and is another easy high miler.
The TourX is going to get another look. They offer good punch and a tight driving feel with wagon utility and are supposed to be easy high milers as well.
And I'm still open to other suggestions that aren't noisy/lifeless piles.
2019 Chrysler Pacifica S.
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Audi Q5’s and Q7’s with the v6 are stout. I see them come in with 170-200 on the clock pretty regularly. Damn comfy and sporty even before a plug and play tune. All the failure points are quick and easy.
The 4cyl’s I’d avoid like the plague. But the 6’s are damn good cars.
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Sorry to hear about your find. Have ya considered confirming head gasket before diving into the crazy used car market? It wouldn’t be too bad to buy a combustion gas contaminant tester and do a leak down test on all 6 cylinders.
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@CoolMinivan-Nobody I think this version of your list is realistic. I think the real trick is to find one of these that has been properly maintained.
