ND Gov Doug Burgum

[davesaddiction]

Full interview:

https://www.nbc.com/meet-the-press/video/full-burgum-culture-war-issues-definitely-not-the-place-to-focus-on-for-presidential-candidates/NBCN255365703

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/doug-burgum-2024-republican-primary/

[ForSweden]

Americans don't deserve a boring president

[davesaddiction]

@ForSweden

The reality show presidency continues...

[ForSweden]

@davesaddiction Americans are going to have a moment in a Presidential Debate when serial philanderer Donald acknowledges all of his grandchildren, and family man Joe refuses to acknowledge all of his grandchildren

[davesaddiction]

@ForSweden

RFK Jr isn't going to win, clearly, but he's getting way more traction than I was expecting. Won't be a good look for Joe to only win the D nom 60-40.

Still holding out hope that Trump's legal woes will somehow prevent him from getting the nom, but it seems almost like a foregone conclusion at this point.

What a mess.

[ForSweden]

@davesaddiction said in ND Gov Doug Burgum:

Still holding out hope that Trump's legal woes will somehow prevent him from getting the nom

He'll get the nomination, then get elected from Prison. The Supreme Court will then rule that he cannot pardon himself (conflict of interest).

Serving from prison will save billions on travel and Secret Service protection.

[davesaddiction]

@ForSweden said in ND Gov Doug Burgum:

Serving from prison will save billions on travel and Secret Service protection.

LOL

[Highlander]

@davesaddiction I'm still burned that Mit Romney has given up his presidential hopes.

[davesaddiction]

@Highlander

Missed his chance - he's 76.

Not that that's stopping the other two guys...

[fintail]

@davesaddiction More of the same? Quick google shows a nearly 70 year old rich guy who backed Trump both in 2016 and 2020, claims to be against culture wars but has still signed policy that could be considered in the thick of it, has some interesting tax ideas.

Maybe he's not as bad as Trump or DeSantis. Kind of like stepping in poodle poop vs falling into a cow pie. Perhaps an actual moderate of sorts

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@fintail said in ND Gov Doug Burgum:

perhaps an actual moderate of sorts

Not saying you'd agree with him on plenty of things, but I found the interview worth the time.

It would be good for America's future if a person like this was the head of the GOP, not a person like Trump or DeSantis or..., regardless of who you'd rather have in the White House.

[Highlander]

@davesaddiction I didn't realize he was so old, oh well. I feel like Mit was one of the good guys.

[fintail]

@davesaddiction Maybe closer to an R from 30 years ago, when compared to the past decade and the past 5 years in particular (and I mean that in a good way).

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@Highlander

Anyone willing to vocally stand up to Trump is one of good guys, at this point.

[nickhasanexocet]

@davesaddiction Yeah, we should focus on the economy and covid! Oh wait, most people feel worse off than 4 years ago and the shots were a dud.

@davesaddiction said in ND Gov Doug Burgum:

RFK Jr isn't going to win, clearly, but he's getting way more traction than I was expecting. Won't be a good look for Joe to only win the D nom 60-40.

The US is the only civilized country where "multiple" (used jokingly since it's really a uniparty at this point) democratically elected parties can have a half their own party sign a referendum that shows they've got the wrong candidate and bad ideas only be like "yeah nah" and keep the geriatric twat who can't do anything right in power (this statement goes for both parties).

There's a bunch of republicans out there screaming at the DNC "WE WILL VOTE KENNEDY" and the party is like:

[davesaddiction]

@nickhasanexocet

shots were a dud

You can believe what you want, but the vaccines prevented many deaths.

CDC:

The overall vaccine effectiveness of 3 doses of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine against COVID-19–associated hospitalization was 69% during the BA.1/BA.2 period; it was 31% during the BA.4/BA.5 period.

Additionally, protection against hospitalization in the first 4 months after the third dose of vaccine during the BA.4/BA.5 period was 60% and decreased to 29% after 4 months.

[nickhasanexocet]

@davesaddiction Those numbers are about as relevant as Metallica giving medical advice. You need to calculate how many vaccines are required to save a life and compare it to the number deaths caused by vaccination (if you believe that's a zero, then I have a bridge for sale). Unfortunately, we'll never get a good study thanks to the politicization. Will probably be 20 or 30 years before it's "safe" to study without fearing the "wrong results" will get you kicked out of academic circles.

Regardless, a vaccine that you need to get repeatedly (fourth, fifth booster?) is a horrific circumstance for your immune system's overall health. One of the really interesting studies a few decades from now will be the long term effects of COVID and the vaccines. Neither will likely be too rosy. I have my bets on which will be worse though - especially since the vaccines don't prevent infection or transmission so your choices are basically one or both.

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@nickhasanexocet

Like I said, believe what you want.

[nickhasanexocet]

@davesaddiction said in ND Gov Doug Burgum:

@nickhasanexocet

Like I said, believe what you want.

Math. I choose math.

[davesaddiction]

@nickhasanexocet

You choose not to believe the numbers I gave you, and just said there’s no studies to count the numbers you choose to believe. Hard to “math” with that.

[nickhasanexocet]

@davesaddiction You didn't give me math or proof of your point. You gave me marketing statistics.

I described a scientific method of using math for you to prove your point. Go ahead and prove to me that in a post-omicron world that the math checks out on a vaccine being worth it. I'll wait.

The latest published study was completed in May and they limited themselves to pre-omicron data. The post-omicron data exists, but publishing it when the results don't show what the revolving door of pharma executives want to see is a non-starter. Your career in science is over if you do that.

Instead Denmark (April 2022), Switzerland (March 2023), France (April 2023), Norway (April 2023), Iceland (April 2023), and Sweden (April 2023) have quietly stopped recommending COVID vaccines.

[davesaddiction]

@nickhasanexocet

prove to me that in a post-omicron world

All I said was that vaccines saved lives, and they did, as the studies show (despite your choice not to believe them).

Is getting a covid vaccine now worthwhile? Maybe not - pretty much everyone’s been exposed and has some associated immunity, even if they never got any shots.

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Thank you, by the way, for turning this completely unrelated thread into yet another discussion about vaccines…

[davesaddiction]

On Bobby:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/10/rfk-jr-has-already-won-00105442

[ZHP Sparky - the 5th]

@davesaddiction As people on the center/left of the spectrum, sure this sounds like a reasonable kind of R that we'd like to go back to arguing with.

But clearly his platform has absolutely zero traction. I looked through his website - his main positions are deregulation and "energy independence" (i.e. drill baby, drill! - I see zero reference to growing the renewables industry).

Basically a platform no D would ever vote for, nor one that the MAGA base would give two shits about because even they realize the corporate trickle down bullshit of the last few decades got them exactly nowhere (other than jobs getting offshored). So yeah, as nice as it is to hear this guy speaking like a sane adult he has a base of probably a few dozen voters at this point given where MAGA has taken the R party.