Ford and Tesla are teaming up to rule the world.
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Looks like, as part of the agreement, Ford owners can stick their power hose in any of Tesla's fun holes. What next, dogs and cats living together?!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/25/cars/ford-and-tesla-partnership/index.html
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@tophercrowder From the article:
Farley also announced that Ford’s next-generation EVs would be made with Tesla-style charging ports rather than the so-called CCS chargers used by most other EV markers, including General Motors, Audi, and Rivian. Tesla’s charging stations outnumber CCS stations in the United States.
..well there goes that industry standard.
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@atfsgeoff I have a fun documentary to watch about industry standards...but it's on a Beta-Max tape
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@atfsgeoff Wow that seems dumb. Better to have the standard port and then use an adapter cable for Tesla chargers? I guess it's not that big of a deal to do it the other way, but still seems better to support the standard. Especially since CCS chargers are became ever more widespread, and will be the standard for the Interstate chargers installed with the infrastructure bill funds. I wouldn't want to buy an EV with a weird proprietary charging port unless it was clearly better, which doesn't seem to be the case for Tesla's charger.
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@tophercrowder My HTPC has an HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo drive. Proving that you can cover all the standards and still lose (optical disks died shortly after Blu-Ray won).
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@facw said in Ford and Tesla are teaming up to rule the world.:
(optical disks died shortly after Blu-Ray won)
Streaming won that war.
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@tophercrowder I want Toyota to buy Lucid. I saw two today, they are nice looking.
52' Dodge M37, 71' Datsun 240Z, 83' Mercedes 300D, 11' Acura TSX wagon
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@tophercrowder Yep...
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@415s30 said in Ford and Tesla are teaming up to rule the world.:
@tophercrowder I want Toyota to buy Lucid. I saw two today, they are nice looking.
Now we know why Ford pulled out of Rivian
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@tophercrowder Yeah that's interesting, I thought Ford was going to absorb them at some point. Well I am not thrilled about anyone making a deal with Elon.
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Ignoring that bad, musky scent in the room...this seems smart? Tesla has the most functional charging network out there at the moment. If you want return EV customers, you need to make sure they're not turned off by the experience of actually charging and using them. This is perhaps the biggest thing Tesla got very, very right early on. They didn't just roll out cars and hope for the best, but rather, they actually ensured that there are plenty of places to charge those cars by building out a charging network. I don't think Tesla's cars would have taken off as much if they had waited on a patchwork of other companies to do it for them.
I worry about what other corners Bad Tweet Man might cut across his other companies as time goes on, but making a deal with Ford at least adds an external stakeholder to cry foul if the service degrades.
Seems like a win-win on both sides.
maximum parsh as heck
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@tophercrowder said in Ford and Tesla are teaming up to rule the world.:
Ford pulled out of Rivian
It was just the tip
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I hate that I love "open butthole" so much. Frickin' eh. They got me with one silly trick. I am the target demographic for poop jokes.
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@Stef-Schrader said in Ford and Tesla are teaming up to rule the world.:
this seems smart?
Placing the sarcasm aside, I agree. Tesla has something like 70% market share in Europe. It is good business and great customer service for Ford to work with Tesla. While GM is looking to remove Apple connectivity from all their cars.
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@pyroholtz said in Ford and Tesla are teaming up to rule the world.:
@tophercrowder said in Ford and Tesla are teaming up to rule the world.:
Ford pulled out of Rivian
It was just the tip
AND they left cab fare on the night stand
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@tophercrowder said in Ford and Tesla are teaming up to rule the world.:
@Stef-Schrader said in Ford and Tesla are teaming up to rule the world.:
this seems smart?
Placing the sarcasm aside, I agree. Tesla has something like 70% market share in Europe. It is good business and great customer service for Ford to work with Tesla. While GM is looking to remove Apple connectivity from all their cars.
But doesn't the EU mandate that Tesla vehicles have CCS charge ports or was it just some sort of adapter that you'll lose like an old lightning to headphone jack adapter?
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@415s30 They certainly couldn't do that now, what with Tesla's $578 billion market cap vs Ford's $45 billion.
Although, Ford does have over $39 billion in cash on hand at the moment, could maybe buy their way into a Tesla board seat, I suppose.
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So future Ford Vehicles will only have a Tesla port for DC charging?
With Tesla's future chargers having a CCS adapter, this seems like a bad deal for future Ford owners.
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That should be interesting.
Will it happen with Tesla and VW as Ford and VW are coming together on electrification and building of vehicles like the Caddy/Connect, Custom/T8, Ranger/Amorak, etc... -
Tesla vehicles in Europe now have CCS charge ports.
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@Stef-Schrader said in Ford and Tesla are teaming up to rule the world.:
they actually ensured that there are plenty of places to charge those cars by building out a charging network.
Also, the experience of just plugging in and having the charging start is so much simpler than all the other networks. No messing around with apps or RFID cards.
I wonder if this will require Ford owners to get a Tesla account?
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@facw says you, I bought a blu ray burner with support for the 33gb/layer disks just two weeks ago and have almost a dozen optical drives around my house. Streaming was convenient for a hot minute but I’m pretty much over paying for half a dozen services just to have shows and films I want to watch be pulled from the servers at random. My library still has a lot of DVDs, and I can order or pirate others.
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70% of the premium EV market while Ford has not very much of any class in Europe...and GM has none. Meanwhile, the European and Chinese brands filling the lower classes...where the volume is.
