Arrival is here (UPS orders 10k EV vans)
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Skateboard platform with future applications.
Rivian (van) rival? Will be interesting to see which of these new EV makers rise to real competitiveness. There are LOTS of new EV motorcycle/ebike companies trying to make their business work.
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@davesaddiction Rivian is the one I've got my money on.
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@davesaddiction It will be interesting to see how things shift in terms of servicing these things. When I first started out in automotive I worked for an independent shop with a USPS contract. It was interesting to see the logistics involved in servicing such a large fleet. Now if you have a wide adoption of commercial EVs you will have to have an (almost) equally large workforce to service them. EVs have a lot less points of failure but they have a lot of complex electronics and any one could brick a vehicle. The commercial delivery industry is not kind to vehicles. There already is a shortage of automotive technicians now and what we have will have to start learning faster to deal with complex electronics.
Rivian is building their dealer network this year from the ground. I'm not sure what model they will be looking at to service those 100K Amazon vans. Amazon wants 10k Rivian vans making deliveries by 2022 and all 100k by 2030. Rivian will be a small market for a while so the dealers will probably be several hours away from a lot of areas. I'm sure they end up servicing the vans at the fulfillment centers for smaller repairs like they are planning on doing with the consumer vehicles. I think we'll be seeing ICE or hybrid rigs for most delivery outside of the metro areas for quite a while.
I wonder how USPS, UPS and FedEx plan on servicing commercial EVs.
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@thebarber The major part of the value proposition for EVs as delivery vehicles is that they require less maintenance. Outside of tires & brakes & topping off the windshield washer fluid, what other preventative maintenance do they need? Compare that to a traditional engine'd truck that needs regular fluid changes, etc.
UPS & FedEx already have their own technicians anyways. If anything they'll look to train the ones they have on the new vehicles as they switch over, then get rid of any that they don't need.
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@nermal That's why I said they have less failure points. They will certainly be more reliable. The only other maintenance I could think of to add is coolant and brake fluid. They will be pretty ok in the middle range of their lifespan when all the bugs get worked out. You'll probably have odd manufacturing failures in the beginning and then you'll have electronics failures in the future with all the cycling. Especially specific things like the charge port. The upfront cost is more but yes fleetwide they will save a bundle in operations expenses.
I know UPS and FedEx have their own technicians. They've been trying to hire a bunch in my area. Lack of general diesel techs is another problem. By no means am I saying that training new or existing people is unachievable its just another cost consideration. It's certainly easier to train existing technicians and I'm sure they companies that supply the platforms see that they get trained specifically for them.
USPS is a special hell case because government.
As a disclosure I actually applied for a job with Rivian. I recognize the EV future and all the challenges it will present. I know my current career path is in jeopardy because of wider EV adoption. Although if I could afford a new car payment I would probably buy a Bolt.