help our supplier is a dumbass circus
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The same supplier that sent a drawing this morning to update their previous drawing which, I shit you not, had the same item described three mutually contradictory ways, and then sent that drawing with yet another fuckup, has been sending panicked emails asking for us to explain why some things are the way they are, because they made changes to my drawing for their purposes so long ago they no longer have any idea why and now think the changes are my idea.
Oh, and they sent us their wacky version of my drawing back in November. At which time we said "okay, I guess".
And now they are not even listening to us telling them that it's something simple and are proverbially "hearing hoofbeats and looking for zebras".
"Why is it like this if it's just for that, huh? Aha! TELL ME"
idk fam, it was somebody at your outfit that did that.These are the same guys that find a new and exciting way to eff up the quote drawing every single time. Sometimes, errors I would not have realized are even possible. Then, on sending it in for fixes, apparently have someone else than the original guy do the fixes, generate a new quote reference number, and screw up something else.
Look out, Mr. Tummy. Mr. Endofwork Laphroaig is coming in dry.
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Sounds like the manager handed it over to the intern who "made updates" according to directions from the manager which were poorly communicated and inaccurate, then the intern left and the new intern has taken over and is compounding the problem.
We see it all the time with our subs. Send them redlines and get updates back with no changes....
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@RamblinRover I feel like people stopped understanding how to make an engineering drawing right when CAD became user friendly. Irony!
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2012 R55 LCI N18B16A 6MT
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@ibRAD said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
@RamblinRover I feel like people stopped understanding how to make an engineering drawing right when CAD became user friendly. Irony!
User friendly? In most cases I've seen, it's an engineer instructing a CAD tech. The engineers never touch CAD themselves. The quality of the drawing depends on the communication skills of both the engineer and the CAD tech, and the review process in place to catch errors. Our firm has a two-layer check and back-check process where everything is checked/redlined at least twice with sign-offs required at each step.
It's rare for a subcontracting firm to have that in place.
Never discount the possibility that you might live through it.
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@flatisflat The local store was out of 10 year, so I was forced to buy quarter cask.
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@BicycleBuck said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
The engineers never touch CAD themselves
Hilariously, I am now the primary design engineer here and the primary CAD guy - because despite my engineering degree I have been CAD Guy for almost ten years and have to wear the new hat due to retirements.
They're trying to make me delegate more. BUT WHAT IF THEY DO IT WRONG, THO
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@BicycleBuck said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
The quality of the drawing depends on the communication skills of both the engineer and the CAD tech
That's really the whole point of the drawing! My comment on user friendly was regarding the new software tricks that automates the drawing process, and gives you a useless drawing in just a few clicks!
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@ibRAD One thing I've been trying to get my minion to do is print stuff to PDF and then review, because then he'll be able to look at it with fresh eyes.
After a while in the model environment, stuff starts to go missing/get ignored because of fatigue, and it's hard to re-notice all the oopsies while still looking at it in model space. -
@BicycleBuck said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
The engineers never touch CAD themselves.
That sounds nice...I have yet to be at a place where I had a CAD tech. I've worked for some pretty big companies too. One of them even had CAD techs at one point before I joined, but some accountant or middle manager somewhere decided it would be cheaper to have engineers do their own drawings.
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@RamblinRover said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
Look out, Mr. Tummy. Mr. Endofwork Laphroaig is coming in dry
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@RamblinRover As is tradition...
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@RamblinRover said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
Look out, Mr. Tummy. Mr. Endofwork Laphroaig is coming in dry.
Guess this is as good a place as any to remind Oppo that Robbie Burns Day is Wednesday. There is now no excuse for not having any on hand.
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@MasterMario said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
@BicycleBuck said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
The engineers never touch CAD themselves.
That sounds nice...I have yet to be at a place where I had a CAD tech. I've worked for some pretty big companies too. One of them even had CAD techs at one point before I joined, but some accountant or middle manager somewhere decided it would be cheaper to have engineers do their own drawings.
Yeah… Da fuq is this? Never in my nearly 20yrs have a had a CAD designer to do modeling, let alone a CAD tech/drafter to do drawings. I’ve gotta be close to 20k hrs of CAD time now. I’m even the PDM Admin. Plz send help.
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@RamblinRover When we started using Bently Projectwise for saving drawings I got a lot of crap drawings for back checking. I would be verifying an edit and discover that 5 other things had changed from the previous drawing.
And you may ask yourself, "Where does that highway go to?"
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@Highlander ...and not changed for the better, I'll warrant.
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@RamblinRover "fun!"
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@LooseonExit said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
@MasterMario said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
@BicycleBuck said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
The engineers never touch CAD themselves.
That sounds nice...I have yet to be at a place where I had a CAD tech. I've worked for some pretty big companies too. One of them even had CAD techs at one point before I joined, but some accountant or middle manager somewhere decided it would be cheaper to have engineers do their own drawings.
Yeah… Da fuq is this? Never in my nearly 20yrs have a had a CAD designer to do modeling, let alone a CAD tech/drafter to do drawings. I’ve gotta be close to 20k hrs of CAD time now. I’m even the PDM Admin. Plz send help.
Modeling? The bridge guys use some specialized software for modeling. Drawings are done in CAD by a tech. The water resources folks use GIS for hydrologic modeling. They don't produce drawings of anything. Just maps and spreadsheets. The techs don't do any modeling. Just drawing production.
I sit across the aisle from the CAD techs, so I see the engineers wander over to give them direction. I'll wander the rest of the office to see what the engineers have up on their screens. In all my time here, it's always been modeling software or spreadsheets. But I'm starting to doubt myself and need to take a poll.
Never discount the possibility that you might live through it.
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Back in the day apparently engineers handed off ideas to CAD designers to do the actual model work apparently. I’ve always handled the whole design process from concept to production - calcs, specs, design, and drawings. Then added fab quotes, manuals, etc. Now I also do RFQs through client integration including the POs, though I feel this is somewhat uncommon. Still, the scope of the engineering job function itself feels likes it’s expanded wildly over my years.
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@LooseonExit I started out like that. That was old school thinking though. I'd much rather do my own design work than to explain a concept to someone for them to develop. I guess it depends how good your CAD person is and how clear your concept is in your head before you begin.
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@A-Former-User said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
@RamblinRover said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
Look out, Mr. Tummy. Mr. Endofwork Laphroaig is coming in dry.
Guess this is as good a place as any to remind Oppo that Robbie Burns Day is Wednesday. There is now no excuse for not having any on hand.
AYE! I'm going to a huge Robbie Burns Night celebration Saturday with my Fiancée.
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@LooseonExit said in help our supplier is a dumbass circus:
Back in the day apparently engineers handed off ideas to CAD designers to do the actual model work apparently. I’ve always handled the whole design process from concept to production - calcs, specs, design, and drawings. Then added fab quotes, manuals, etc. Now I also do RFQs through client integration including the POs, though I feel this is somewhat uncommon. Still, the scope of the engineering job function itself feels likes it’s expanded wildly over my years.
Same here. I have to do research, development, prototype modeling, calculations, pre-production drawings, simulations, sometimes inspection and assembly, validation testing and reports, and then production drawings. Also have to process revision changes sometimes too...
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@nerd_racing Couldn't find a good event locally and I have a slight cold now. I'm hoping it clears enough to enjoy at least a small dram tomorrow eve.
Coincidentally...went into a shop today that carries Glenturret Peated and Triple Wood on their website to ask it they have plans to sell the 12 year (the one everyone wants) in the near future. Clerk disappeared out back and when he reemerged said, "You're in luck. We have it, but aren't selling it until Thursday". A day late for Burns night, but still feel lucky to get the heads up for Thursday morning. :-)
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Feeling your pain today @RamblinRover
Just got a purchase agreement via a lawyer (strike one).
Normally these are a few pages long, but this one is 56 pages (strike two).
The bit that my job pertains to is ancillary to the whole purchase agreement, and technically doesn't fall under the LLC being purchased but a separate legal company (messy strike three).
Probably going to have to bring in our own lawyer to try and clean this up.
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