US Military Boeing 757 Being Prepped for Flight to Scotland
The US government executive Boeing 757, known in the military as the C-32 and usually used to transport the Vice President or First Lady, has been scheduled for a flight to Scotland on January 19th. That's the day before President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration. There is no word on who will be on board the flight.
President Trump announced via Twitter today that he plans to skip Biden's inauguration, so one might presume that he intends to go play golf at one of his clubs in Scotland instead. However, Scottish PM Nicola Sturgeon has said publicly that she will not allow Trump to land in Scotland due to the country's strict COVID-19 travel restrictions.
Pretty sure that's a 9 irony.
Trump has also made heavy use of the 757s for trips up and down the East Coast (he reportedly prefers it to the 747s because it has a newer interior, and of course is more similar to his personal 757). Other presidents have used these to travel to airports that can't handle a 747. But it does seem like for an international trip, even one that was announcing his irrelevance, they'd want him on one of the big birds for his flight out of town.
Is Scotland on the way to Moscow?
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@ttyymmnn Aside from the appropriate but funny response from Scotland... I can’t tell if he’s aware that he has no ride home if he does this. I mean it’s pretty obvious that he has other ways to travel but I just like the idea that he doesn’t realize it and just gets abandoned in Scotland. The plane lands, he disembarks, they do a quick turn refuel and off again leaving him on the tarmac. I mean I feel bad for Scotland but maybe we can have the US Ambassador to the UK buy them a couple rounds or something...
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@ibrad Not cool. Edit. We should not make light of the bombing especially when it involves Trump. I had a teacher who had a loved one die on that plane and it still hurts seeing those images of the wreckage .
@krustywantout Fine. Deleted. I wouldn't go near the inauguration either FWIW after what happened the other day.
@facw if he flies on 1/19, he’s still the POTUS, and he will still have the launch codes with him. You can’t exactly lock those in a desk drawer and leave town.
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@ibrad Thank you. I edited my post to better reflect my issue. If had you said the middle of the Atlantic, I wouldn't have objected.
@krustywantout Was a post made from my own anger without considering how it might be interpreted by others. My apologies. Not the kind of thing to be posting online these days anyhow unless I want a delivery from Flowers By Irene.
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@ibrad Maybe you'll get a pizza out of it?
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I'd assume this is on his mind...
Countries with No Extradition Treaty with the U.S. (2020)
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@ttyymmnn Apparently Pelosi reached out to the Chairman of Joint Chiefs about that: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/08/capitol-biden-trump-live-updates/#link-3HEOCM3DSBFYZBI2SEBETFUQ3E
Frankly that's probably not appropriate, and she should be talking to Pence about Article 25 if she feels Trump can't be Trusted (though apparently Pence hasn't been taking her calls). There is of course the history of Kissinger (apparently more than once) telling the Joint Chiefs to ignore any nuclear strike from a drunk Nixon.
@facw Just reading about that. The Joint Chiefs Chairman basically said that’s not my b it’s yours, and that Trump is still C in C and that they are bound to follow his lawful orders. But they did discuss command authority for the nukes.
@ttyymmnn I’m a bit concerned that these types of conversations are being made public at this time. Piss pore OPSEC.
So if Trump is arrested for a State crime and he has pre-pardoned himself for federal crimes (assuming that holds up ti the Supreme court), can he be extradited back to the US for said State crime?
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@fractalfootwork Trump can pardon himself for federal crimes but he has no protection against state crimes
@ttyymmnn My question is whether he can be extradited back for a State crime?
@fractalfootwork I know very little about extradition and treaties pertaining to it
@ttyymmnn no worries. Per wikipedia:
"As a result, a state that wishes to prosecute an individual located in a foreign country must direct its extradition request through the federal government, which will negotiate the extradition with the foreign country."
I'm wondering if Tump's thinking what I think he's thinking. So if he's wanted in New York for that stuff (which he cannot pardon himself for), they'll direct the request through the FBI who will then contact Scotland (or the UK?) for his arrest and transportation I guess.
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@fractalfootwork You can be extradited for state crimes (the Federal Government will handle the request on behalf of the state), though I don't know if US extradition treaties require that (I'd assume so, most crimes are state crimes, and it's not like the states can negotiate their own treaties)
@fractalfootwork Few states have the legislation or resources in place to extradite plaintiffs from another country. If Trump is going to flee, I doubt he’d go to a nation with an extradition treaty with the US, and he’ll probably have a PSD in place which would be too much to handle for state police. However, states can still prosecute a plaintiff in absentia if they choose not to be present once a trial has begun.
Does the Scottish First Minister have the authority to block foreign military flights?
@forsweden I don't know, but even if they don't, either the UK government will back them (strengthening their position), or they won't (strengthening the argument that Scotland needs to be independent, or at least receive more autonomy), so it's a bit of a win-win from a politics standpoint.