I bought a new DLSR and I am excite
AkioOhtori last edited by AkioOhtori
I wrote a while back that I was thinking about acquiring a full frame DLSR by circuitous means. Well... that didn't pan out for a variety of reasons that I'd really rather not get in to, but the end result was between doing a lot of research on full frame vs crop frame DLSRs, my mom missing her old D70 (of all things), and facebook helpfully informing me I've had my current camera for 10 years I was a little primed to pick up a new one.
Lots of unnecessary background
For some reference I've grew up in a Nikon household and have almost always had Nikon cameras, film and later DSLR. In high school and college I was an avid photographer and worked for the school newspaper for a bit, in a drug store photo lab, and even had a few semi-professional gigs. I got my first DLSR, a Nikon D70s, sometime in college, but almost immediately started losing interest in the hobby.... because of course I did.
-Oh hey this photo is almost in focus!
Despite taking embarrassingly few pictures, I've always maintained my kit, more or less, and in 2010 traded in my D70s for a D7000. The D7000 was a better camera and more fun to shoot, but still my interest in the hobby declined.
In 2015 we did our first "cheap car challenge" and suddenly I had a reason to care about photography again. Our traveling companion, Taylor, is an excellent photographer and I had fun trying to keep up with him. I failed, but it was fun to try. After our 2017 cheap car challenge it became apparent offroading was a thing we wanted to start doing, and it was, again, a chance to make use of my kit. Initially I'd sort of given up on taking photos as Taylor was doing amazing work, so opting out allowed me more time (and suitcase room) to do other stuff. However, after going on a trip without him I realized how much of a pain it is to be the only guy with a real camera as that means you don't get any hero photos of your own car! So, with that, I committed to taking photos again. And so I did.
2020 brought the pandemic and my first ever Oppo Hunt. My partner and other road trip companion, George, had purchased a M43 Olympus camera and got super into photography at the time. It was cool to see someone discover the hobby, so we did as much of the Oppo Hunt as we could and I even ended up buying a used M43 camera too.
Anyway... back to full frame. My Nikon D70s and D7000 were both DX cameras or what you call a "crop frame" camera, meaning the CCD is smaller than a piece of 35mm film. There are a ton of reasons both why that is a thing and why it matters, but the end result is DX camera bodies and lenses (glass) are cheaper than their full frame (what Nikon calls FX) counterparts. When I bought the D7000 I went through the decision process and ultimately decided to stick with DX. However, after doing a deep dive on DX vs FX this time, I reached a different conclusion and decided I wanted to switch. Lucky for me I only have two lenses that require replacement: my DX 35mm and my DX 18-200. The former is cheap and no great loss, the latter was expensive when I bought it but is pretty cheap now days. Not sure if that is relevant.
After a little research I'd identified I could purchase a used D810 or a D750 on my budget. I initially looked at the D610 as they were available on the cheap, but apparently that is because they had an issue with dust settling on the CCD... so that is a pass.
After much debate (am I really doing this?! should I be spending this kind of money?! I am so dumb!) I decided on a new D750 body and some used glass. The decision to buy new was hard, but I'd found a deal on one at a seemingly reputable source. On Monday I pulled the trigger on the body and a couple of used lenses. I was happy and excited and more importantly relieved that I didn't need to think about it anymore.
As with all things on the internet, the body turned out to be a scam. Though this is an actual brick and motor business with an actual physical address in the US, Tuesday afternoon I get a phone call from the seller. Apparently I'd "accidentally" ordered an international (grey market) body and the interface wasn't going to be in English. They offered to sell me the USA version for "just" $300 more.
Uhh what? I told them I'd call them back and quickly checked the website and no, I hadn't made that mistake (though I wouldn't put it past me). The body I'd ordered was a USA model and his claim they sell both was incorrect.
Oh hey a bait and switch scam. Got it. I think we learned about these in like... high school civics class. I figured it wouldn't be a thing in the days of extensive, easy to get documentation...
A quick google of them and their parent company revealed this is their business model, apparently. That and selling used equipment as new. Though I was technically in the right and could have pressed them to send me the body anyway, it sounds like when you do that they either send you a used body or let your order languish for weeks and weeks and then cancel it. I wanted no part of this, canceled the order, and filed a complaint with the FTC.
Sidenote: The FTC complaint process is pretty painless, but at the end you get a case number and assurances they probably won't look into it. Thanks buds, glad you're looking out for people!
Anyway... that fiasco over I immediately bought a used D750 body off eBay and called it a day. Annoying as the promise of a new body made me miss out on a good deal on a used one, but at this point I was happy to throw money at making this be done and over with.
Good news is allegedly everything is to arrive Friday and I get to play over the weekend.
What should I shoot this weekend Oppo?
Ok well... since some people are asking I'm going to do a glass breakdown too. I was a little embarrassed as I've been railing against my Nikkor 18-200 DX and then went and bought its FX brother.
Nikkor 35mm 1f.8G DX (might sell)
Nikkor 105mm f2.8 Macro (FX)
Offbrand 8mm f? Fisheye (FX?)
Nikkor 18-200mm f3.5-4.5 DX (likely getting rid of)
Nikkor 50mm f1.4 FX (manual)
Nikon "Holga" Lens (novelty)
Bunch of old, good full frame glass from my film camera
Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-4.5 FX
Nikkor 35mm f1.8G FX
Explanation and Future
Ok... hear me out. I have mixed feelings about my 18-200. It doesn't take stellar pictures, though it did GREAT on the NYE trip, so I wasn't planning on buying its FX brother, the 28-300mm. That was, until I read this review. I'd been using this guys site to evaluate lenses and he seemed tough but fair so when I ready him absolutely gushing about the 28-300 I figured I needed to take a punt on it. I managed to pick up a used one for like $450, so it seemed worth the risk.
I generally prefer 50mm lenses, but George has been putting the hard sell on his 35mm equivalent lens for his M43 camera. With a 35mm DX (50mm equivalent) and a 50mm manual full frame, I figured I'd go ahead and blow the cash on a 35mm FX lens.
In the future I'd really like to pick up one of the ultra wide angle zooms. Nikon makes a 8-15mm and a 14-24mm, but both are too expensive for a sometimes lens. I'll keep an eye out and see if I can catch one cheap used.
After that I'm open to suggestions. Some of the mid-range f2.8 FX zooms seem OK, but I can't see the extra aperture being worth carrying another piece of glass...
adamftw last edited by
Well, shitty first experience aside congrats on the new cam! Going to full frame is a game changer. What glass you going with?
I've been waiting for the A6100 to go on sale myself. Sold my M43 Olympus stuff because I was underwhelmed with it a year or so ago, been using film and my iPhone for shooting stuff since.
EssExTee last edited by
@akioohtori obviously your first photo session has to be doggo pics
Yeah but what about the lenses?
Italia last edited by
Lol this gray market bait and switch is so common. Most refuse to cancel without a fee. What lenses do you have?
MUSASHI66 last edited by
Abe’s or similar New Jersey location? Notorious for this crap. Can’t believe they are still in business.
Someoneatacura last edited by
As a fellow D750 Shooter, you made a great choice! FYI the 35mm F1.8 DX lens works on the body and doesn't show any black circles. It has a heavy vignette but it's extremely useable if you happen to have one and don't want to shell out for a 35mm FX lens.
I would grab a 50mm F1.8, and the 24-70 F2.8 if cash allows, as they've come way down in price used and are bomb proof. If you're looking into wide angles, the 16-35 is good and reasonably priced, and the 70-200 F4 is rock solid and a good value when compared to the 70-200 F2.8 (the original 70-200 F2.8 has very soft corners and if you can give up the extra stop, the F4 is great).
@musashi66 I mean... I've found the operate as at least two businesses, so I wouldn't be surprised. This was Park Avenue Video and/or Willoughby Camera in New York.
@essextee This is, of course, the only correct response.
Italia last edited by
@akioohtori that's a lot of lenses to carry around. I have all my stuff down to one back pack now but 2.8 glass is pricey and heavy.
14-30 nikkor f4
24-70 nikkor f2.8
70-200 sigma f2.8
500 tamron f8 (mirror lens makes cool donut bokeh) normally left at home
MM54 last edited by MM54
Sounds like some nice gear! I've not touched my DSLR (Olympus, mostly because it can adapter for some inherited OM lenses) in probably a few years now. I just don't go anywhere or do anything worth photographing, and on the rare occasion I do it's either a flight away so I don't bring it or otherwise have reasons to not have it with me.
I've never been huge into photography (though I've taken a few nice pictures I guess) but I do understand just enough about it to get in trouble - it's one of those many things I often think "I ought to spend more time doing that" and don't have time to follow up on.
@italia No doubt. When out I'll usually carry the 18-200/28-300 and a portrait lens of some manner, likely the 35mm prime. I'd like to add a ultrawide/fisheye to that mix as Taylor has used his to great effect and I want to get in on that action Looking forward to shooting with all of them soon to get a feel for what works with the new camera.
jminer last edited by
@AkioOhtori excellent write up. Great journey into a camera upgrade.
@AkioOhtori No offense but I'm very blech about all-in-one zooms. I guess if you're often in situations where it's handy to not have to switch lenses go ahead but they're just never great optically. I'd rather have an f/2.8 walkaround zoom + find whatever hidden gem of slower-ish aperture tele zoom that gives good image quality without being a heavy pro thing. But to each their own.
If I were in your position I'd probably stick to used lenses with focus motors, even though the D750 has a screw drive AF motor for the older lenses without motors, you might as well stick to the more future-proof stuff.
For an ultrawide, the Sigma 17-35/2.8-4 is available used for way cheap for what you get. I like buying used gear from KEH but there are many examples on ebay as well.
You may encounter examples of the Sigma 20/1.8 & 24/1.8 if you're looking for a fast ultrawide prime, but optically these are a bit of a mess so I'd stay away.
For primes, the Nikkor 35/1.8G is a solid choice. Might as well pair it with the similar 50 & 85 1.8Gs. But if you want to go cheap cheap cheap the older no-motor versions of these are still great optics.
@texturedsoyprotein Yeah I was all for moving away from the all-in-one zooms until this latest trip. I agree that, like all-in-one printers, they do everything but none of it very well. That said, when shooting cars off-roading the range of these lenses is unbeatable. I can set up down trail, out of the way, and shoot an entire obstacle without having to move, and that is pretty awesome. This time around I shot at f8ish and found that solved a lot of my problems with sharpness and low contrast. I had several shots come out that didn't really need any editing at all, which is a first and the direction I'd like to go. I'd still like to try out one of the f2.8 mid-zooms, like the 24-70 or similar, but that is going to have to wait. Ultimately I needed to start with a "do it all" lens and the 28-300 was the right lens at the right price.
Good tip on that Sigma lens! Though I'd prefer a a ~14mm starting focal length, a 17 still seems pretty good and that price is killer. The 12-24mm 4.5-5.6 also looks nice, but at twice the price I'm less enthused. The 10-20mm f3.5 seems OK too but is a little limited and also more expensive than the 17-35mm... a lot to think about!
Someoneatacura last edited by
Did you look into the 24-120 F4? It's a solid lens, faster and wider that the 28-300 and a better spend in my opinion. A lot of people will steer you to pro grade glass because it's an FX body, but most lenses can produce great results, it's the fringe situations and extreme conditions that make the pro grade glass worth the money. I wish Nikon made a 24-70F4 as I don't need the F2.8 and it would save a lot of space and weight in the bag.
annoying_salman last edited by
Congrats! Both the D7000 and the D750 are my dream cameras
@texturedsoyprotein Well I talked myself into the 17-35mm on the strength of its price. It came in today and is a remarkably pretty lens! Very large with good uhh presence? Just a cool looking lens. Unfortunately looks like the AF is busted! I can hear it trying, but got no movement. Sadness. I'll get on the phone with KEH tomorrow and see what they want to do.
TexturedSoyProtein last edited by TexturedSoyProtein
@akioohtori Shit, that sucks, but I'm sure if it's not working properly KEH will let you return it. I peeked at ebay and most of the examples there are the older 82mm filter thread version without a focus motor, like this:
From my brief research this older version isn't that sharp and you probably want the newer DG HSM 77mm filter version like what you got from KEH. All of these are outside the US though.
Another option you could check out is the Tokina 17-35/4. Tokina came out with a new version but the old one is still available for $400 new, and less used.
If you look at the used one from Tony's Camera on Amazon that might be a decent bargain at $358.
@texturedsoyprotein Yeah I am super bummed as it is a very cool lens otherwise. I haven't called KEH yet but I assume the process will be pretty easy.
Thanks for doing the leg work on that! Yeah I assumed KEH wouldn't give me any troubles and I'll keep an eye out for another. I pulled the trigger on this one due to the price and, same as you're seeing, they seem to be thin on the ground and replacements are all in the $400+ range, at which point I'd have to re-evaluate all over again haha. If nothing else this exercise finally has me looking at Non-Nikkor lenses, so there is that. Either way it is going to have to wait as I have many other projects demanding infusions of cash right now, but on the bright side that leaves me plenty of time to find a good deal.
In my search, this Tokina lens turned up, which might be worth looking in to...
But yeah, going to sit on it for a while anyway.
@texturedsoyprotein Managed to win the auction for another Sigma 17-35 out of the US. $150 all in and the AF works!
@akioohtori $150 is a nice price. Did you get the newer HSM 77mm filter version?
@texturedsoyprotein Yuup. Small weirdness with the glass like there are bubbles in the glue or something, but it doesn't affect the optics so I'm ignoring it. (Sorry for the potato photo)