gmporschenut also a fan of hondas last edited by
Anyone try babbel or Rosetta Stone?
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Italia last edited by
I tried Babbel and was not impressed. I am currently using duolingo.
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@gmporschenut-also-a-fan-of-hondas I have an ancient copy of Rosetta Stone that I had been practicing French with, but I've not used it for a long time. I always found it pretty decent!
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@gmporschenut-also-a-fan-of-hondas We got Rosetta Stone for our daughter a couple years ago. She's very curious with some languages, but the deep end dive into Japanese was a bit much for her. Maybe an adult would do better with it though and Japanese may not be a good example. I'm curious where this goes because I'd like to pick up German again (took 3 years of it in HS) and maybe Dutch too.
facw last edited by facw
@gmporschenut-also-a-fan-of-hondas I tried Rosetta Stone a decade or so ago and wasn't impressed (maybe it's better now)
I'd start with Duolingo, it's free and seemed way better: https://www.duolingo.com/
I think it's probably going to do about as well as you are going to get from software, I think to go beyond that you'd want to take actual classes, or find ways to interact with foreign speakers.
t0ast last edited by t0ast
Depends somewhat on the language. Japanese was not a good fit for Rosetta Stone's style when I tried a few years ago (version 3?). It's great for vocabulary and basic speaking exercises, but quickly became frustrating when trying to teach the more difficult or technical aspects of the language, especially if you're the type who wants to know why. Things like changing words based on the level of formality of the situation, verb conjugation, particle choices, or needing to apply a specific "unit" suffix to nearly every number you use depending on what is being counted ... they don't exactly fit well into Rosetta's system of "intuitive" teaching when they're a more substantial departure from one's native language. Granted, things may be better now in later versions of the software, or just better in general if you're learning something with roots closer to your native language, or it's something you learned previously, but I've since moved on.
I also tried a few other apps like Duolingo and Lingodeer which were alright for being free and providing an easy means to stay fresh on vocabulary, but also felt like they fell short on technical language info. I'm currently making use of Fluent Forever, since they actually take the time to walk you through the pronounciation rules, don't wholly ignore pitch accent (a big oversight in most Japanese teaching resources), have native speaker audio, and have a really good spaced-repetition flashcard system. It's not free, but by far it's my favorite. All that said though, my progress through apps is considerably slower than when I just took some time to sit down with a commonly-used textbook (Genki) and go through its lessons and exercises.
adamftw last edited by
I used the Duolingo app on my phone and it did the job.
MUSASHI66 last edited by
I have Rosetta Stone which might have come from a torrent site, so I didn't pay the $179 they want for it. I am on Level 1 (of 5), stage 3 (every level has 4 stages), Lesson 2 (ever stage has 4 lessons), and I am currently on the Grammar section (every lesson has 10 sections). So, 800 or so "lessons", and every lesson is 2-10 minutes, with 6-40 sections, and all of those sections usually have 4 scenarios you have to interact with.
So far so good. I am using it on a Windows desktop, but I might spend the money for a legal version to have it on my phone for convenience. 12 Pro Max is large enough to use for this purpose.
Also, you can download the trial app on iPhone, and get the idea of how it works.
Duolingo - I used to love Duolingo. Now, it suck balls - if you use the free version. it is all about hearts and jewels and it actively punishes you for mistakes, so you can't use the app for 5+ hours if you make a few mistakes, unless you buy more hearts. They are pushing ads and videos and paid version so hard, it makes the app completely unenjoyable as a free app. If you buy the subscription, I presume it would be OK. I find it to be somewhat similar to RS, but it involves translating from the target language into the native language, so it doesn't teach the same way.
From what I've read on the topic, completing Rosetta Stone would get you to level 1 or 1.5 out of 5 in fluency for a language, but that might not be bad considering that 5 is perfection and even most native speakers score 3.5-4 in general. You should be able to ask for directions, order food, have simple conversations, and find your way around most situations, but don't expect you'll be anything but a beginner.
Rosetta Stone approach is learning like a baby - knowledge of English is not required as it slowly introduces words based on pictures and doesn't involve the mother tongue at all. My biggest problem - I am really, really good with multiple choice, so the lessons are usually to easy, so much so that I don't remember enough for final reviews if I am not presented with options. I just hope repetition will do what it needs to.
I also have Italian as "learn in your car", and it is just a boring, constant word in Italian, work in English and I can't memorize at all that way, so it doesn't get used much.
svend last edited by
I'm an English, British white male. It would be wrong of me to not just speak louder and slower and gesticulate whilst nodding.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas last edited by
yeah that isn't limited to Britain