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    Amazon's Zoox: "The future is for riders."

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    • davesaddiction
      davesaddiction last edited by davesaddiction

      [sigh]

      They may be right, but I sure hope they leave room for those of us who would rather drive...

      It is interesting to see these designers' & engineers' "ground-up" take on a fully autonomous EV for a dense urban area, though (bidirectional w/ 4-wheel steering).

      https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/14/22173971/zoox-amazon-robotaxi-self-driving-autonomous-vehicle-ride-hailing

      https://zoox.com/

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      • CB
        CB @davesaddiction last edited by

        @davesaddiction You could always do a hack override like when @100percentjake tried to turn the Buick's transmission into a manual with a computer.

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        • davesaddiction
          davesaddiction last edited by

          The airbag system is pretty wild.

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            A Former User @davesaddiction last edited by

            @davesaddiction said in Amazon's Zoox: "The future is for riders.":

            The airbag system is pretty wild.

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            Read "expensive".

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            • davesaddiction
              davesaddiction @Guest last edited by

              @maximaspeed Yeah, but these would clearly be owned by fleets, not individuals.

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              • RamblinRover
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                redbarchetta.mp3

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                • davesaddiction
                  davesaddiction last edited by

                  Paging @phenotyp

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                  • derp
                    derp last edited by

                    thank you for your request, prime citizen. due to your conversation history, services have been restricted. please remain in your seat as you are taken to corporate reeducation.

                    2015 F150 5.0 Lariat - 1987 Supra Turbo - 2005 Civic EX
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                    • davesaddiction
                      davesaddiction @derp last edited by

                      @derpwagon

                      Prime... prime...

                      What else is prime...? Oh, right - beef! They've been fattening us up--more fuel for the biodiesel generators for their AI systems!

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                      • Exage03040
                        Exage03040 last edited by

                        "The future is for riders."

                        While correct, the answer isn't that frumpy jail cell.

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                        ToT: https://opposite-lock.com/topic/50161/this-or-that-206

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                        • phenotyp
                          phenotyp @davesaddiction last edited by

                          @davesaddiction There's gotta be room for both. It's been interesting to see how these companies have come and gone, what they've developed, and what's happened to them over the last few years.
                          Like Canoo, whose co-founder was the chief designer of BMW's i effort.

                          And Local Motors's pivot to 3D-printed autonomy, still sorta kicking around:
                          https://localmotors.com/meet-olli/

                          No clue what Waymo is up to, these days, but they recently hired on an old friend of mine, so presumably they're still moving toward their own platform. It was fun to watch the koala cars running around my neighborhood back in 2015-6.
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                          • davesaddiction
                            davesaddiction @Exage03040 last edited by davesaddiction

                            @exage03040 Oh, they're coming for you, too...

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                            • davesaddiction
                              davesaddiction @phenotyp last edited by

                              @phenotyp In your estimation, when do you think we'll see fully autonomous shuttles like this in most major metros (outside of the test zones they're in now)? Five more years? Ten?

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                              • CobraJoe
                                CobraJoe @davesaddiction last edited by

                                @davesaddiction said in Amazon's Zoox: "The future is for riders.":

                                They may be right, but I sure hope they leave room for those of us who would rather drive...

                                I really doubt that autonomous vehicles will become the norm anytime soon, even if they were 100% safe tomorrow.

                                There are far too many people who enjoy the freedom of movement a normal car gives. The fact that the "Get off the grid" type off-road vehicles (and off-road styled vehicles) are so popular right now helps prove that.

                                '84 Mustang GT Convertible 5 speed
                                '21 Challenger R/T 6 Speed

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                                • derp
                                  derp @CobraJoe last edited by

                                  @cobrajoe said in Amazon's Zoox: "The future is for riders.":

                                  There are far too many people who enjoy the freedom of movement a normal car gives. The fact that the "Get off the grid" type off-road vehicles (and off-road styled vehicles) are so popular right now helps prove that.

                                  tinfoil hat: that's exactly why they're pushing full autonomous vehicles so hard, so they can legislate self-driven vehicles away as another method of control.

                                  2015 F150 5.0 Lariat - 1987 Supra Turbo - 2005 Civic EX
                                  Curator - Merch Guy

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                                  • RallyDarkstrike
                                    RallyDarkstrike last edited by

                                    .....I'm good thanks.

                                    The airbags are there because they know it will crash a lot...

                                    '09 Hyundai Accent | Loves 2-cyl FIATs, old Euro, Eastern Bloc & kei cars!

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                                      ForSweden last edited by

                                      The dream of Morgantown is alive!

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                                      • CobraJoe
                                        CobraJoe @derp last edited by

                                        @derpwagon said in Amazon's Zoox: "The future is for riders.":

                                        tinfoil hat: that's exactly why they're pushing full autonomous vehicles so hard, so they can legislate self-driven vehicles away as another method of control.

                                        I really don't think it's politicians or corporations pushing for autonomous vehicles, but the market. There's so much excitement out there for autonomous cars, to the point where Tesla sells it as a $10k upgrade and it doesn't even work fully yet.

                                        Now it's a rush to see who can make it first.

                                        But I could imagine a scenario in the future where self-driven cars are seen as "too dangerous" and made illegal, at least in highly populated and highly developed areas. I really don't see this happening everywhere until autonomous systems are good enough to go everywhere, no matter the roads or lack of roads.

                                        And even then, I'm not sure it'll catch on fully, and even if it does, walking and biking and other various personal transportations are still going to exist.

                                        '84 Mustang GT Convertible 5 speed
                                        '21 Challenger R/T 6 Speed

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                                        • davesaddiction
                                          davesaddiction @CobraJoe last edited by

                                          @CobraJoe

                                          Interesting question: are insurance companies working for or against more autonomy?

                                          In the for camp, if they can charge the same/similar, but have many fewer payouts, that'd be win for them.

                                          In the against camp, eventually people would realize they'd need far less insurance, and there'd be lower-cost competitors.

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                                          • CobraJoe
                                            CobraJoe @davesaddiction last edited by

                                            @davesaddiction Tough thing to guess

                                            Less crashes vs more expensive crashes? (Autonomous cars are going to be really expensive, at least at the start).

                                            Also, would a personally owned autonomous car be trustworthy? Repaired by owners or potentially questionable shops... At least a driver can easily adjust their speeds and distances if they know the vehicle has spotty brakes.

                                            '84 Mustang GT Convertible 5 speed
                                            '21 Challenger R/T 6 Speed

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                                            • Milky
                                              Milky @davesaddiction last edited by Milky

                                              @davesaddiction Haven't seen that airbag photo yet! The years packaging/designing that. I cant say but wouldn't even know where to start. These people are good and as a bonus the car looks good. Hope it works out for them.

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                                              • StuckMTB
                                                StuckMTB last edited by

                                                @milky @davesaddiction that airbag system looks seriously complex and well thought out, a lot like the rest of it. It's maybe not something I'd buy, but that's not the point. I'd happily take one of these as a Lyft to the airport or a cab downtown.

                                                My dream one day is to have a sports car that can drive itself on long highway hauls with me able to take over whenever I choose. Then I can rip it around a track for 4-5 sessions a day for a weekend, then when it's time to pack up, it can drive me home while I catchup on sleep!

                                                2009 Corvette Coupe, 2004 BMW 330Ci, lots n lots of pedal powered things!

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                                                • fintail
                                                  fintail last edited by

                                                  Nice covid booth.

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                                                  • davesaddiction
                                                    davesaddiction @StuckMTB last edited by

                                                    @stuckmtb As much as I like driving myself (even on long road trips), there's something very appealing about the idea of getting into your car at night and waking up at your destination 500+ miles away the next morning.

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                                                    • trivet
                                                      trivet @davesaddiction last edited by

                                                      @davesaddiction said in Amazon's Zoox: "The future is for riders.":

                                                      the idea of getting into your car at night and waking up at your destination 500+ miles away the next morning.

                                                      I've had that nightmare.........

                                                      Current stable: 2015 WRX Limited, 1987 Fiero GT,
                                                      Past cars: 1990 Eagle Talon TSi, 1990 Plymouth Laser RS Turbo, 1982 Pontiac J2000 (my first) and many others I don't want to talk about.......

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