Jones V Sandy Hook

[Future Next Gen S2000 Owner]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/15/media/alex-jones-sandy-hook-defamation-legal-victory/index.html

Good.

/insert grumpy cat meme here/

[Rusty Vandura]

@future-next-gen-s2000-owner That's sure a junky website, but didn't this happen some weeks ago?

[CarsOfFortLangley]

@rusty-vandura Yeah, it blows my mind that CNN looks like Jim Spanfeller's dream of Kinja. 90% ad/10% content

[ttyymmnn]

@rusty-vandura said in Jones V Sandy Hook:

@future-next-gen-s2000-owner That's sure a junky website, but didn't this happen some weeks ago?

He was found in contempt by one judge, this is the final nail.

[CarsOfFortLangley]

@future-next-gen-s2000-owner

Towed to Politics by @Curators

[Rusty Vandura]

@ttyymmnn said in Jones V Sandy Hook:

@rusty-vandura said in Jones V Sandy Hook:

@future-next-gen-s2000-owner That's sure a junky website, but didn't this happen some weeks ago?

He was found in contempt by one judge, this is the final nail.

So what happens next? He declares bankruptcy and or the Sandy Hook families discover that his net worth is about $0.35? I bet the Sandy Hook families have spent millions in legal bills up to now.

[gmporschenut also a fan of hondas]

@rusty-vandura that was a lawsuit in texas

[Rusty Vandura]

@gmporschenut-also-a-fan-of-hondas What significance to you see in the Texas aspect of this? That a finding against Jones is more remarkable?

[Rusty Vandura]

@carsoffortlangley I thought this one seemed a bit politicky, but was the towing perhaps a bit preemptive? There might be some value in leaving some of these things in place until anybody gets awkward. I worry about the main page being too vanilla, too mundane, even inane.

@Shop-Teacher

[Shop-Teacher]

@rusty-vandura I get what you're saying, but I can't tell you how much positive feedback I've received for having the politics separated from the main page.

[gmporschenut also a fan of hondas]

@rusty-vandura “ but didn't this happen some weeks ago?”

the Ruling in the case at the beginning of oct was separate from these.

[CarsOfFortLangley]

I thought this one seemed a bit politicky, but was the towing perhaps a bit preemptive? There might be some value in leaving some of these things in place until anybody gets awkward.

@rusty-vandura I think that approach risks using the Politics section as a penalty box rather than a forum for free discussion like it's intended. Posts like this are meant for this space.

I think it's important that we apply the approach consistently. If we relegate only topics that the @Curators view as "spicy" or that generate "debate", we risk becoming censors which is not our intent or wish.

Obviously, this is just my personal take and doesn't reflect the Curators as a whole.

[Rusty Vandura]

@CarsOfFortLangley

This will be the perennial discussion topic. If things get moved too quickly, too preemptively, then there's no place for stimulating discussion on the main page. I posted something two weeks ago about the shooting on the movie set and that topic ran almost 200 replies before someone got too spicy. This one never got that chance and I think it deserved to. I think we risk being too weak of sauce.

@Chariotoflove

[bison78]

@rusty-vandura

Personally, I see Oppo as centered around cars, so anything that isn't car-related should perhaps be moved to a different category.

[Rusty Vandura]

@bison78 said in Jones V Sandy Hook:

@rusty-vandura

Personally, I see Oppo as centered around cars, so anything that isn't car-related should perhaps be moved to a different category.

Does that include what you ate for lunch or that I just installed new fenders on my bicycle? All I'm saying is that we risk being weak sauce.

[fintail]

@bison78 Those ones might not offend people who identify as being right of center, so they are probably tolerable.

[gmporschenut also a fan of hondas]

@future-next-gen-s2000-owner great day for a white supremist to get his comeuppance. I hope the families gets all he's worth.

[bison78]

@gmporschenut-also-a-fan-of-hondas said in Jones V Sandy Hook:

@future-next-gen-s2000-owner I hope the families gets all he's worth.

That's going to be a long fight.

[gmporschenut also a fan of hondas]

@bison78 the fight is over. the only next step is the hearing to detirmine how much to award.

[bison78]

@gmporschenut-also-a-fan-of-hondas said in Jones V Sandy Hook:

@bison78 the fight is over. the only next step is the hearing to detirmine how much to award.

I think you underestimate the difficulty of getting someone to actually pay up.

[davesaddiction]

@rusty-vandura @CarsOfFortLangley

I think if this was just about Sandy Hook, it would have stayed on the main page.

Alex Jones/Infowars is an inherently political person/site. I sincerely hope that none of his followers are here, but OPPO is a very varied group of enthusiasts...

When I post about societal things that are near-politics on the main page, I usually redact the name of any politician or party to help keep the discussion on the topic/subject/policy, not the politics.

[Rusty Vandura]

@davesaddiction said in Jones V Sandy Hook:

I think if this was just about Sandy Hook, it would have stayed on the main page.

You think... That is my issue. If an @Curators thinks something smells like something, off to the oppoliticks dumpster to die.

Here's my thing about Oppo: we have fun here, but it does not mean we are entirely unserious. Necessarily. The Alex Jones -- he's truly a POS, IMO -- piece was not my dog in the race, but rather than whisking topics off to ignominy, I wish the topics, some of them, anyway, could stick around to give a chance to serious Oppos to have serious discussion about them. Then when somebody goes d|(k, whisk the topic away. Did anybody counsel with the author on how they might edit their topic to make it more suitable?

[CarsOfFortLangley]

@rusty-vandura My personal opinion is that either way, Politics is the ideal place for that kind of subject matter.

[Chariotoflove]

@rusty-vandura said in Jones V Sandy Hook:

@davesaddiction said in Jones V Sandy Hook:

I think if this was just about Sandy Hook, it would have stayed on the main page.

You think... That is my issue. If an @Curators thinks something smells like something, off to the oppoliticks dumpster to die.

Here's my thing about Oppo: we have fun here, but it does not mean we are entirely unserious. Necessarily. The Alex Jones -- he's truly a POS, IMO -- piece was not my dog in the race, but rather than whisking topics off to ignominy, I wish the topics, some of them, anyway, could stick around to give a chance to serious Oppos to have serious discussion about them. Then when somebody goes d|(k, whisk the topic away. Did anybody counsel with the author on how they might edit their topic to make it more suitable?

There is always a grey area, and this topic kinda fit in it. We are constantly discussing these things. There is room to get creative with a topic to preemptively keep it from going off the rails. One idea is to add a "no politics" disclaimer at the beginning, as some have done. Another is to say right off the bat, "there's plenty of room for political discussion around this, so follow this link to the discussion over on Oppolitics". That kind of post could reasonably be put on the main page.

The point is, we don't plan to be draconian, and our ears are open to solutions, always recognizing that we can't keep everyone happy all the time.

I will say that @CarsOfFortLangley did what he thought was prudent to keep nastiness headed off at the pass, given the recent samples of how quickly these things go bad. In particular, I left a topic on the main page a couple months back for far too long and we all paid the price for it.

[Rusty Vandura]

@chariotoflove said in Jones V Sandy Hook:

I left a topic on the main page a couple months back for far too long and we all paid the price for it.

I appreciate that and I appreciate the reply. I have tried very hard, with lots of thought, to make my comment here constructive and to add to the discussion that you mention. Simply saying that this particular topic falls into Grey Area Land goes a long way. That @CarsOfFortLangley wanted to head nastiness off at the pass is more than fair.

My wish is for a bit more of the serious to go along with the inane. Now can Oppolitics be developed to be a more serious place and not just In-school Suspension for d|(ks?