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    • john norris
      john norris last edited by

      I don’t like cars from the big three from 1958. Every other year I can find something I like.

      I don’t like the quad headlight layout, I don’t like the style. I think the designers lost their mind, temporarily. Some of these models were great in the mid 50s and early 60’s; even iconic. But not ‘58.

      In 1958 they all looked goofy.

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      Go ahead, show me I’m wrong.

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      • HammerheadFistpunch
        HammerheadFistpunch @john norris last edited by

        @john-norris You've got my vote. but I don't really like 50's era stuff generally.

        Some kind of sentient rodent - Overland Curator.

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        • ranwhenparked
          ranwhenparked @john norris last edited by ranwhenparked

          @john-norris For me, 58 is where designers started to lose the plot, and 59 is where it went off the rails entirely. I appreciate a lot of the designs for being over the top flamboyant and kinda batshit crazy, but theyre not exactly tasteful.

          Chrysler was probably the best of the pack in 1958, and, in the inverse of the usual order, their cheapest brand, Plymouth, was the best styled. Probably because, as the cheapest, they didn't overdo the decorations as much

          That said, 1958 was the best year for Edsel. At least they were distinctive, the 59s and 60s looked too much like rebadged Fords

          2022 Ioniq SE
          1964 Corvair Monza

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          • ClassicDatsunDebate
            ClassicDatsunDebate @john norris last edited by

            @john-norris
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            • ClassicDatsunDebate
              ClassicDatsunDebate @john norris last edited by

              @john-norris That 300D is pure awesome sauce

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              • siennaman
                siennaman @john norris last edited by

                @john-norris I can't create a good argument against your premise. (especially since I prefer the styles from 10+ years before or later..)

                2006 Toyota Sienna
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                • AestheticsInMotion
                  AestheticsInMotion @john norris last edited by

                  @john-norris hmm. I kinda like this one. What am I looking at? a6a51be9-f2c7-43a8-bfb7-2e129a1e377f-image.png

                  2006 R55 AMG
                  2021 701 Enduro
                  2013 Hayabusa
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                  • ranwhenparked
                    ranwhenparked @ClassicDatsunDebate last edited by ranwhenparked

                    @classicdatsundebate I find it very hard to find fault with any of Virgil Exner's work, at least up until the 1962 models. But that was forced on him by bad market intelligence

                    2022 Ioniq SE
                    1964 Corvair Monza

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                    • ClassicDatsunDebate
                      ClassicDatsunDebate @ranwhenparked last edited by

                      @ranwhenparked said in Change my mind ...:

                      Virgil Exner

                      Yes, we'll forgive him the Blackhawk.

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                      • john norris
                        john norris @ClassicDatsunDebate last edited by

                        @classicdatsundebate said in Change my mind ...:

                        That 300D is pure awesome sauce

                        If for no other reason:

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                        • john norris
                          john norris @ClassicDatsunDebate last edited by

                          @classicdatsundebate

                          It had potential, had they just backed off a bit.

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                          • john norris
                            john norris @AestheticsInMotion last edited by

                            @aestheticsinmotion said in Change my mind ...:

                            What am I looking at?

                            The successor to this icon:

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                            • ClassicDatsunDebate
                              ClassicDatsunDebate @john norris last edited by ClassicDatsunDebate

                              @john-norris Can't argue with that. Although it is rather demure vs the others in '58

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                              • kiltedpadre
                                kiltedpadre @AestheticsInMotion last edited by

                                @aestheticsinmotion 1958 Chevy Impala
                                1958 was the only year where the Impala was a unique body style from other Chevy models.

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                                • Exage03040
                                  Exage03040 @john norris last edited by

                                  @john-norris

                                  Well, it was nice knowing you...

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                                  ToT: https://opposite-lock.com/topic/66761/this-or-that-235

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                                  • ranwhenparked
                                    ranwhenparked @ClassicDatsunDebate last edited by

                                    @classicdatsundebate Well, he may have been on pills for awhile there. Couldn't tell if he was sitting in his studio drawing a new Stutz, or down in his basement arguing with his water heater. And when he sobered up, that was already in production

                                    2022 Ioniq SE
                                    1964 Corvair Monza

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                                    • WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAthenGTInowA4
                                      WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAthenGTInowA4 last edited by

                                      I'll give the Corvette and the trucks a pass. Everything else I agree.

                                      "What are you gonna do, stab me?"

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                                      • john norris
                                        john norris @Exage03040 last edited by

                                        @exage03040 said in Change my mind ...:

                                        Well, it was nice knowing you...

                                        Oops.

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                                        • Shop-Teacher
                                          Shop-Teacher @john norris last edited by

                                          @john-norris '58 was definitely a shit year. The first year of wide-spread quad lights, and ewwwwww. I this the Chevy truck and the Corvette in your pics lol ok fine, but just fine, and everything else there looks like crap. Things started getting better again in '59.

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                                          • ItalianJobR53
                                            ItalianJobR53 @john norris last edited by

                                            @john-norris I don't hate the C1 but I don't love it either...

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                                            • john norris
                                              john norris @Shop-Teacher last edited by

                                              @shop-teacher said in Change my mind ...:

                                              Things started getting better again in '59.

                                              I totally agree. I can't explain it though.

                                              Not sure what it is, because the 59 Chevy's had plenty of flashy overkill design, excessive shapes and angles, and even the quad headlights. But for some reason I like it.

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                                              • Shop-Teacher
                                                Shop-Teacher @john norris last edited by

                                                @john-norris I think it just took designers a bit if time to properly incorporate a new design element they'd never been allowed to play with before. I love '59 Chevys. The cats-eye taillights are magnificent. Definitely an over the top design, but it all works together.

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                                                • DipodomysDeserti
                                                  DipodomysDeserti @john norris last edited by

                                                  @john-norris I was with you until you posted an Apache.

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                                                  • john norris
                                                    john norris @ItalianJobR53 last edited by

                                                    @italianjobr53 said in Change my mind ...:

                                                    I don't hate the C1 but I don't love it either...

                                                    I like the '56:
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                                                    I like the 57:
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                                                    In '58 they ruined the front:
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                                                    • john norris
                                                      john norris @DipodomysDeserti last edited by

                                                      @dipodomysdeserti

                                                      "I was with you until you posted an Apache."

                                                      I'm onboard that the Chevy was less goofy than the Dodge or Ford that I posted.

                                                      But what's with that '58 kitchen appliance under the headlights?

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