Not Bad For a Days Work (roofing)
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Started 8 in the morning till 3 in the afternoon with some breaks inbetween.
That original "tar paper" is a joke. printer paper is thicker and more durable.
Down to the wood. The tin is where a useless fresh air vent was... that leaked. Theres a wood panel under it, not just tin.
Wood looks perfect, no rot. the edges look dark thats where the starter tiles were with some adhesive. Crow bar made short work of the remaining roof nails.
The new tar paper is better than the old one, but a couple of spots tore on the edge, but theres enough to prevent leaking.... I hope.
Tomorrow I need to buy starter shingles that I forgot. Finish the top and start nailing the shingles.
Theres a massive pile of roof tiles and nails in the front yard, and have to figure out a way to dispose of it as I dont have much of a curb without someone running over 9000 nails.
Largest roof work I ever done....yet. 16 x 25 I think
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@brickman What pattern are you using? In NJ I think they offset each row by 1/2 or 1/3 to ensure the lower shingle seam is always overlapped by a good number of inches. Might be a northern climate thing to avoid ice damming and water going up.
Traveling USA - Currently in the mountains.
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@66p1800inpieces I dont know what you mean by pattern. I overlaped the bottom row of tar paper a foot, and about 6 inch overlap on the rest. Top is going to have a larger overlap.
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@brickman
I will never understand why this type of roof is a thing because my world is dominated by corrugated steel.
https://colorbond.com/products/roofing
Yours looks like way too much work by comparison!!Take the hard road and walk it. Because hedges aren't as soft as they look.
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@brickman the pattern means where you arrange the gaps in the various courses... you want the end-to-end butt between 2 shingles not to line up with another butt on the next course.
https://www.gutterbrush.com/blogs/news/shingle-lay-out-and-nailing-patterns-quality-matters
Also, great work so far!
I’m a thousand miles from nowhere, time don’t matter to me
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@silentbutnotreallydeadly Yes, its a lot of work. Metal roofs didnt get any damage in the hurricane as far as I seen.
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@beefchips I see. Im continuing the pattern that you see on the last pic. Each tile is gapped 1/ 3rd of a shingle I think
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@brickman It's great to see that the sheathing is in good shape. I had a house in St. Louis with poor venting from the attic, allowing humidity to build up in there. The shingles were the only thing holding the sheathing in place. When the shingles were removed, we found out how warped the sheathing was as it started to pop up on its own, pulling nails out of the rafters. Fortunately, it was a simple house with with one ridgeline.
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Good work! In case you missed it, there's no need for special starter shingles. Just cut down a couple of strips of what you have. There should be some instructions on the package.
Never discount the possibility that you might live through it.
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@brickman If you are using the same shingle in the picture the is a cut on the top of the shingle for alignment. A proper 3 tab installation is:
3 tabs
Next row 2 tabs.
Next row 1 tabs. A pyramid.
Not every other tab like is a installed. This way is effective though so don’t sweat it. Run it.
Using felt paper over synthetic is so much better. Synthetic leaks at every nail unless it’s plastic cap nails. I learned that the hard way in a sudden storm.A pyramid pattern holds the wind better according to the manufacturer. U can start the pyramid from that edge with no noticeable line.
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@brickman said in Not Bad For a Days Work (roofing):
Tomorrow I need to buy starter shingles that I forgot.
You can just flip regular shingles upside down. Starter shingles didn't used to exist.
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@shop-teacher I am currently Certainteed certified for warranty purposes. Most manufacturers bail on a warranty due to one error on flashing. Its a crap system.
I stand behind my installs. No callbacks. Steel or asphalt. We install way above their specs. The referrals keep me busy enough.
I definitely am getting to old to strip shingles.The camp trailer got a new bathroom update.
New paneling and trim. Buying floor tiles in the morning.
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@bicyclebuck Im looking for less work
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@shop-teacher I'll do that if I dont see any starter shingles
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@beefchips Yes, this is what I was thinking about.
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@silentbutnotreallydeadly I live in New Jersey and I we don't see many steel roofs. Are they noisy when it rains? I checked out the Colorbond page and see they have 5 layers/coats but nothing like a rubber undercoat for sound insulation.
Traveling USA - Currently in the mountains.
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@66p1800inpieces said in Not Bad For a Days Work (roofing):
@silentbutnotreallydeadly I live in New Jersey and I we don't see many steel roofs. Are they noisy when it rains? I checked out the Colorbond page and see they have 5 layers/coats but nothing like a rubber undercoat for sound insulation.
If the roof space/cavity/ceiling is uninsulated then the noise of the rain can be...immense. However, very few (if any) new houses are built without such insulation. We've re-roofed two houses now and both ended up with somewhere between R4 and R6 levels of heat insulation which attenuates sound immensely. The sound of rain on a tin roof is now one of the evocative and, for many people including me, comforting sounds of Australia.
You can also get SIP (structure integral panel?) which is a core of polystyrene (up to 250mm thick) faced with Colorbond steel on one (or both) sides with a plywood or MgO sheet on the other for an internal ceiling surface!
Take the hard road and walk it. Because hedges aren't as soft as they look.
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@silentbutnotreallydeadly becomes common once you get further north in areas that see significant snowfall
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@gmporschenut-also-a-fan-of-hondas
It's the most commonly used roofing material in Australia, regardless of the climate. Desert to the coast, snow to the tropics...Take the hard road and walk it. Because hedges aren't as soft as they look.
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@454ssracetruck That doesn't surprise me, manufacturers love to wiggle their way out of warranties. My house had those stupid organic shingles on it when I bought it. 30 year shingles trashed after 10. I got nothing from them for the warranty.
Send pictures of the upgrades!
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@brickman Thirding the 'flip your shingles over instead of starter strip' comments, having sold building materials and currently working for a building-materials company.
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@silentbutnotreallydeadly Thank you for the great info. I love learning about different construction practices. Where I live in northern US it an get cold and our insulation is R49. Thats one layer of 6" r19 with another layer of 10""R30 for about 16" total (40cm). It tends to mute nature a bit.
Metal roofs sound so much more durable and recyclable. Every 20-30 years we redo roofs and throw them in the landfill. Such a waste. We (north east USA) probably stick with asphalt shingles because that is what everyone in the neighborhood has and we all need to keep property values up. Makes me think about the grass lawn I have. Dog loves it but it's not great for the environment.
Traveling USA - Currently in the mountains.
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@silentbutnotreallydeadly said in Not Bad For a Days Work (roofing):
You can also get SIP (structure integral panel?)
They're called Structural Insulated Panels over here.
I first saw these at a National Association of Home Builders conference back in the mid-90's. They built a demonstration house in the parking lot. To prove the strength of the panels, they ripped a panel lengthwise and turned the halves on edge, set another panel across them like a bridge, then set a backhoe on top. The upper panel bowed under the weight, but did not break.
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@66p1800inpieces There are some companies that make steel shingles so they still look like traditional shake shingles. They're expensive and many people find them cost-prohibitive...but it's definitely a one-and-done solution making re-roofs a much more uncommon occurrence. A house in my mom's neighborhood has had them for almost 20 years. It'll probably still be good for another 80, but will probably need recoating at some point.
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Almost done! I need to haul some more shingle packs up the ladder and im too darn tired so tomorrow.
I should of listened to Oppo and should of just made starter shingles to begin with. I wasted a hour trying to find some, but I made my own and was easier than I thought. Just keep cutting each shingle following the line of the previous cut.
Finished putting up the tar paper and eager to put the flashing... you can see what I did wrong
Was supposed to put shingles under the flashing halfway up then put shingles over the top half. I fixed that today with some extra tar paper and flashing. Lesson learned
Almost done! Not a professional job, but good I think. The nail gun did great, not one jam, a coupe of double firing, but getting a hang of it now.
What a mess I need to clean up. Borrowing a magnet thingamajig to save my lawn mower tires.
