When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...
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This screenshot is a fraction of the job openings in my school district right now. School starts in nine days. Most of these jobs pay $13.95 an hour, and require a college degree. Now that starting pay at even the most menial jobs around here is $14-15 an hour, is it any wonder why nobody wants these jobs? Why put up with kids, when you can make the same money working the counter at an auto parts store with no experience?
Teachers in my district actually make a decent salary. I'm not rolling in dough by any means, but I'm supporting my family of four on only my salary. It's time for the district to open up the wallet, and pay the support staff a real salary, or we'll never get the help we need.
Most of our educational assistance fall into the category of: A) Somebody who just finished their teaching degree, but hasn't found a full time teaching job yet. Or B) somebody who is not the primary bread winner in their household who is either working for the insurance (which is quite good, to be fair to the district), or just views the work as important enough to be worth the trouble. There just aren't enough of those people. It's high time for the powers that be to plunk some cash down on the table.
@RallyDarkstrike it's too bad you don't live around here, because we have open teaching jobs still too.
Just to head it off at the pass, lets keep the perlatiks out of this, or I'll nuke this bastard right quick. I ain't got no time for that jibba-jabba!
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@shop-teacher and employers are still reluctant to raise wages with that many openings.
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@shop-teacher Why is there such a difference between these pages and the effective wage for full time teachers?
For full time in Portland, you start at 48k/year and top out at 93k. (That's with 12 years of experience, a masters in education, and quite a number of continuing education credits.)
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@e90m3 Employers are stupid like that.
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@beefchips Training is much more general for these positions. You just need A degree, not an education degree. They don't have the responsibilities of a teacher either, so they're never going to (and frankly shouldn't) make the same money. But the amount they're being paid is quite frankly shameful.
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@shop-teacher We're struggling with that at work right now - trying to hire a dredge operator for $17.50 an hour, when you can go to Wawa and get paid $15 to run a cash register and make sandwiches (or go to the amusement park and get $20 to tug on roller coaster restraint bars and give the thumbs up sign, but that's seasonal). We all know it needs to be higher, but it's a big company and decisions like that have to be made much, much higher in the management tree
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@e90m3 said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
@shop-teacher and employers are still reluctant to raise wages with that many openings.
I kind of get that. If you're an employer it may make sense to wait a bit and see if wages really do settle at the higher rate. If next year they decrease, it's not possible to turn around and tell your new hire that you've just trained, "well, you get a pay cut now"
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@shop-teacher said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
is it any wonder why nobody wants these jobs?
People don't want those jobs because they want to eat and pay bills. And if a subbing job pays less than fast food, what are they gonna do?
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@beefchips it's not possible? Hah! I've sadly worked for two companies that have cut my pay in some way or another, along with many other's when time got tight.
One gets around the issue by padding your earnings with incentives that can be anywhere from team-based, overall profit-based, or individual performance-based. As these earnings are not contractually guaranteed (only your salary or hourly is), they are distributed at the whim of management and removed the second the piggy bank gets light. But the incentives are upsold during the job listing and hiring process, because no one would do them for the actual base salary.
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@dr-zoidberg said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
@beefchips it's not possible? Hah! I've sadly worked for two companies that have cut my pay in some way or another, along with many other's when time got tight.
One gets around the issue by padding your earnings with incentives that can be anywhere from team-based, overall profit-based, or individual performance-based. As these earnings are not contractually guaranteed (only your salary or hourly is), they are distributed at the whim of management and removed the second the piggy bank gets light.
What happened to turnover after they did it?
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@beefchips Well during the Great Recession, lots of people got laid off and the people who stayed agreed to a paycut or cut hours (same principle, same tasks, just less time to do it now!) this particular company.
But up until 2019? You guessed it. More turnovers than a grocery store bakery.
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@shop-teacher it's interesting, I live in one of the most expensive areas in the country in a city that is pricey. The cost of living is bonkers, truth be told. I am currently out of work and hoping to land a job with the city. In so doing, I have expanded outside of just my city to the neighboring cities as well. What
I keep finding is very similar positions in my city pay about $10,000 less than neighboring jurisdictions. It's like they are actively recruiting second tier talent. I don't get it. -
@ranwhenparked think they will ever figure out that skilled labor and machinery operators should be paid a living wage? They bill that man at probably $54 on top of the cost of the machine. Paying a fair wage to the person responsible for safely making that money seems like the right thing to do.
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There is no skill shortage, only a pay shortage
(of course, not rolling eyes at you, but rather the companies that won't raise their pay commensurate with the job requirements)
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@sovande said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
I keep finding is very similar positions in my city pay about $10,000 less than neighboring jurisdictions. It's like they are actively recruiting second tier talent. I don't get it.
Are you looking for a public-sector job? One reason that cities' finances are suffering is that a lot of big cities have lots of pension bills due now that they didn't properly save up for over the past decades. So they have a smaller portion of their budgets going to present-day payroll. Newer suburbs have less of a problem with that simply by virtue of being younger.
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@shop-teacher We’ve had teacher shortages in AZ, especially in the sciences, for a while now. It’s been alright for me since I’ve been able to get multiple schools to pay me to fill positions, but once I’m done with my MS I’m out. I’ll be an admin this year, so we’ll see how that goes.
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@shop-teacher said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
Just to head it off at the pass, lets keep the perlatiks out of this, or I'll nuke this bastard right quick. I ain't got no time for that jibba-jabba!
The title alone provokes a political discussion that you don't want.
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@shop-teacher I'm quite lucky to have fallen into IT when I did. No degree required and I was making $15 an hour as a helpdesk monkey 15 years ago.
Any position that requires a college degree that pays a poorly as what you're showing there is awful. No wonder they can't fill the positions.
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@atfsgeoff said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
@shop-teacher said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
Just to head it off at the pass, lets keep the perlatiks out of this, or I'll nuke this bastard right quick. I ain't got no time for that jibba-jabba!
The title alone provokes a political discussion that you don't want.
I agree. That's why I made this thread in the politics forum
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@shop-teacher this is a "we pay you in experience" mindset for those who need to pad a resume or get experience. Not great
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@shop-teacher that's downright criminal. I know my district treated full-time teachers similarly for awhile, but finally got their heads out of their asses and bumped the starting pay up to a reasonable level.
@beefchips said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
@e90m3 said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
@shop-teacher and employers are still reluctant to raise wages with that many openings.
I kind of get that. If you're an employer it may make sense to wait a bit and see if wages really do settle at the higher rate. If next year they decrease, it's not possible to turn around and tell your new hire that you've just trained, "well, you get a pay cut now"
This is why we've turned to very large hiring bonuses. It gets people in the door, but if wages drop down once the unemployment handouts end we won't be stuck paying significantly more than necessary with no way of going back
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@sovande said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
I keep finding is very similar positions in my city pay about $10,000 less than neighboring jurisdictions.
In medicine, the larger the city and the more desirable the region of the country, the less the salary. Highest salaries are Midwest. East and West Coasts are the lowest.
...meh...
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@dipodomysdeserti said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
I’ll be an admin this year, so we’ll see how that goes.
Good luck! I don't want ANYTHING to do with admin.
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@dogisbadob said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
@atfsgeoff said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
@shop-teacher said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
Just to head it off at the pass, lets keep the perlatiks out of this, or I'll nuke this bastard right quick. I ain't got no time for that jibba-jabba!
The title alone provokes a political discussion that you don't want.
I agree. That's why I made this thread in the politics forum
Good call!
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@vincentmalamute said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
@sovande said in When a low-paying job requires a college degree ...:
I keep finding is very similar positions in my city pay about $10,000 less than neighboring jurisdictions.
In medicine, the larger the city and the more desirable the region of the country, the less the salary. Highest salaries are Midwest. East and West Coasts are the lowest.
That's because not as many people want to work in the midwest, so they're trying to get people to move there to have more healthcare availability in rural areas.
