Is there a role for police snipers to use a .50 cal in a tactical stadium situation?
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A friend riding his bike by Colorado State's stadium was startled by gunshots followed by the BOOM of a .50 cal. He was not impressed that at least the road next to the stadium wasn't blocked off. Not that it would've done anything if an errant .50 cal round left the stadium. The stadium is in the middle of a city.
Note one of the course topics "The Role of the 50 Cal in Venue Safety"
Given the several mile range of the .50, I can't see how it would have a role in a stadium more than a 7.62/.308 would. It would take out any civilians unfortunately standing behind the concrete wall behind the bad guy they just shot. The only situation I can think a .50 would be useful is if they're trying to shoot out engine blocks of a VBIED trying to ram the entrance.
My imagination is limited though. I'm signing up for the session in San Diego and find out the answer. It's only $1350.
BTW, can anyone identify the rifle in the brochure's photo?
...meh...
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@vincentmalamute ied destruction?
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@vincentmalamute It doesn't look like a Barret but I'm no expert. The scary thing about a .50 is if you have the money you can have one. A buddy of mine has a lever action barret. It's fun to shoot but expensive. The cops usally come to his house if you fire it a few times.
Edit: bolt action
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It depends, are we talking a cricket match?
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@vincentmalamute Do they deploy that for the games against Wyoming?
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@vincentmalamute How are you signing up for a San Diego session? This is at Great Guns in Nunn. Nice range btw, I been up there many times.
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@vincentmalamute Imagining that a football stadium max distance across the stadium couldn't possibly be more than 400 yards (thinking corner to corner plus stands) it seems wildly unnecessary to utilize a .50
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@vondon302 I couldn't tell either. I figured someone here would know. It looked too small for a .50 but then the magazine is big and that looked like a .50 magazine.
The Ultima Ratio Hecate II is the French entry in the anti-material rifle category.
I first learned of that rifle from this anime:
I love the name of the rifle: "Last Resort. Goddess of the Underworld."
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@vincentmalamute What if a group of terrorists comes in very slowly in single file? One well placed .50 and you've ended a very dangerous situation in a cost effective manner!
Bet you didn't think about that very likely scenario.
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That's a Remington 700 SPS Tactical, most likely in .308WIN. .50 BMG is generally not used by LEOs. It's an anti-material round. .308WIN is the most common with the new hotness being 6.5 Creedmoor. You might see a few .338 Lapua here and there. Homeland Security and FBI/CIA might use some other exotic stuff, and some large municipal Police Dept. might have something other than .308/6.5 but it's not that common.
I have two .308 rifles and they are LOUD AF.
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@vincentmalamute I'm guessing you're talking about the Rockies Ballpark? Security is going to be way more for this years All Star Game given the controversy surrounding it's relocation.
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@vincentmalamute I'd guess the main purpose is to give them a cool gun to shoot. Actual use cases seem extremely unlikely (to the point that having it would probably be liability in most cases).
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@vondon302 You sure it's a Barrett? AFAIK Barrett doesn't make a lever action.
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@musashi66 I assume TacFlow is a company that offers training seminars around the US, not just at one place in CO.
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@veearrrsix The only thing that's throwing me off is the section of rail at the end of the forward end of the stock. I know those are used for IR/NV optics, so it's more than likely aftermarket.
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@vincentmalamute a lever action can't really have a magazine because the lever would be in the way. I have a lever action Marlin 45/70, and the round go in the tubular magazine under the barrel.
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@musashi66 said in Is there a role for police snipers to use a .50 cal in a tactiacal stadium situation?:
@vincentmalamute How are you signing up for a San Diego session? This is at Great Guns in Nunn. Nice range btw, I been up there many times.
Somewhere they listed more courses in a few different cites. I'm not serious. This course is restricted to active LE and military which makes me feel a little better about them shooting off a .50 in the middle of Fort Collins.
I've been there but Nunn is a bit of a drive for me. I should still get out there to shoot off my rifles.
That company has courses for civilians which I'd like to take but none listed at the moment. A buddy flew out to take Massad Ayoob's course and liked it.
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@winterlegacy I've seen them at the range before when the SWAT guy were qualifying.
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@haveacarortwoorthree said in Is there a role for police snipers to use a .50 cal in a tactiacal stadium situation?:
@musashi66 I assume TacFlow is a company that offers training seminars around the US, not just at one place in CO.
Exactly. They're actually out of Phoenix.
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@benn454 Correct! I'm old and type crappily. I meant bolt action.
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@veearrrsix said in Is there a role for police snipers to use a .50 cal in a tactiacal stadium situation?:
a lever action can't really have a magazine because the lever would be in the way
ah! I'm mistaking the front of the stock in front of his left shoulder in the photo. I thought that was a five round .50 cal magazine.
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@veearrrsix You remind me just how much I love lever actions, especially in looks. Maybe I can convince my stepbrother to bring his Marlin over for some target practice...
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@vincentmalamute Think stopping power. They're not just interested in shooting bad guys, but stopping them. The 50 from within a stadium will almost instantly disable any person that it hits, and possibly those behind them as well.
Also think outside the stadium. If terrorists truly do a large scale explosives attack at a stadium, the damage will be done by the time the sniper reacts. Think of something like the Las Vegas mass shooting a few years ago, where there was a guy in a hotel room firing into a concert. The same could be done into an open stadium. In theory a sniper in the stadium could shoot far enough to take out a bad guy perched remotely, but in practice that would be incredibly difficult to do in real time.
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That's a big pitch.
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@montegoman562 said in Is there a role for police snipers to use a .50 cal in a tactiacal stadium situation?:
@vincentmalamute Imagining that a football stadium max distance across the stadium couldn't possibly be more than 400 yards (thinking corner to corner plus stands) it seems wildly unnecessary to utilize a .50
Exactly my question.
@facw said in Is there a role for police snipers to use a .50 cal in a tactiacal stadium situation?:
@vincentmalamute I'd guess the main purpose is to give them a cool gun to shoot. Actual use cases seem extremely unlikely (to the point that having it would probably be liability in most cases).
That makes the most sense. But they list a course topic as "The Role of the .50 Cal in Venue Safety". Apparently they have an answer that's "yes, you should always have a .50 cal on hand in a stadium" and not "have one on hand just for funsies and show those insurgents you're serious"
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