Thoughts on the new 11th gen Civic design from a 10th gen Si owner
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Honda unveiled the new 11th gen Civic sedan "prototype" a couple days ago. Honda and Acura "prototypes" are generally 95% production vehicles with some trim details that aren't quite what the final cars end up looking like.
The 11th gen will ride on an updated version of the 10th gen platform, but Honda has yet to share any details on specs. So far we just know what it looks like, and that the infotainment is going to be the newer setup from the Accord and other models.
The coupe is gone, and the sedan and hatch will continue. The Si and Type-R will be returning, but Honda hasn't indicated whether they will be sedans or hatches. The 10th gen hatch is built in England, while the sedans and coupes are built in North America. The 10th gen Type-R is only available as a hatch, because it's only built in England, and the only available body style in that factory is the hatch. The Si (which is taking the 2021 model year off) is only a coupe or sedan, because it's only built in Ontario, and only coupe and sedan bodies are available in that factory. For the 11th gen, Honda is closing down the England factory, and sedans and hatches will be built in North America. The Type-R is likely to continue as a hatch, but it's unknown whether the Si will be a sedan, hatch or both.
The 10th gen Si took 2016 off and came out for 2017, and it's looking like both the Si and Type-R could take 2022 off and come back for 2023. The 2022 is going to arrive sometime around May-June 2021, by all accounts. Honda has promised the Si and Type-R will return, but hasn't said anything about when.
I bought my 2020 Si in September, because I needed to get rid of my 335xi, used car values are/were way over-inflated, the Si is discontinued for 2021, and I rolled the dice that the 11th gen Si wouldn't necessarily arrive right at the beginning of the 2022 model year.
The patent renderings of the 11th gen sedan & hatch leaked within a couple weeks after I bought my Si, and the sedan looked boring, while the hatch showed some promise. But nothing about either of them in those renderings made me regret my purchase.
Now that the sedan prototype has arrived, I think it looks rather better than the patent renderings. Maybe the orange paint and dark trim help. But it's generally handsome, if a bit boring compared to the 10th gen. That's actually ok to me, because I think the design of the 11th gen does away with much of the weirdness on the 10th gen. The 10th gen sedan is the only 10th gen body style with decent proportions, but all trims including the Si have ugly chrome window trim, and the fascias, grilles and wheels on all but the Si are unfortunate looking at best.
But, I think the 10th gen Si still looks better than this 11th gen sedan "prototype." In stock form, the chrome window trim needs to go, and the suspension needs a drop while pushing the wheels closer out to the fenders. But overall, it's a good take on the sedan body style.
Things improve considerably when tastefully modded with the chrome deleted (or covered with window visors), lowered on nice wheels, and the orange sidemarkers replaced with clear or smoked versions.
My plan for my Si is to go in this general direction with looks. The new sedan is cleaner than the non-Si 10th gens, but I like the mildly aggressive wannabe robot looks of the 10th gen Si, when done up right.
So, styling, for most Civic buyers, is an improvement on the 11th gen, but I'm good with my 10th gen Si. What about the other updates on the 11th gen?
The 10th gen interior is generally fine, and very comfy and practical, but the 11th gen takes a more minimalist approach with Honda's latest floating tablet style infotainment screen. It looks nice and modern, but again, I'm perfectly happy with my 10th gen Si interior.
The 11th gen will probably have wireless CarPlay and Android Auto, which were added to the 2021 Accord. The 10th gen Civic infotainment gets knocked as slow and basic, with some outdated, not-very-slick UI elements. This is especially true on the 2016-18 cars, which are saddled with a stupid capacitive touch volume slider. The 2019-21 cars have a newer version of the headunit with a blessed volume knob and somewhat faster CPU. The UI is largely the same, and it's not great, but as far as I'm concerned, perfectly tolerable. Personally, I signed up to get an AAWireless box on Indiegogo, which is supposed to plug in to the USB port of any wired Android Auto car and add wireless Android Auto capability.
Now, what we don't know is anything about performance on the Si and Type-R. The 11th gen is an updated version of the 10th gen platform, so in theory the performance versions may be rather similar to the 10th gen versions. But, Honda hasn't said anything about them. There are two main performance-related rumors:
The Si and possibly all trims could gain the Type-R's trick split knuckle front suspension
The Type-R could become a 400-ish hp hybrid, which would make room to give the Si the 250 hp version of the 2.0T motor in the Accord, or possibly even the 272 hp premium fuel version in the Acura RDX & TLX.
The first rumor about the suspension is interesting, but not enough to make me want to ditch my Si for an 11th gen. The 2.0T rumor does give me pause however. The 1.5T in the 10th gen has a ton of tuning potential, but it's limited by the stock clutch, which is shared with the non-Si 1.5T models. Even doing full bolt-ons and a tune can exceed its torque capacity, to say nothing of turbo and fueling upgrades. The 2.0T has a higher baseline starting point and headroom without having to do a clutch job.
There's also the possibility the Si could become a hatch, which does tempt me, but not enough to make a trade.
Even without the potential 11th gen developments, my plan with my Si was to not rush into mods anyway. But the 2.0T rumor is enough to really make me not rush to throwing a bunch of money at my car. For the first year I'm going to only do little appearance and livability tweaks.
I'm still pretty confident in my purchase. We'll see about that 2.0T situation, but best I can tell that's the only reason I'd be rushing to get an 11th gen Si. If that does end up happening, that sweet sweet Honda resale value, which is even better for the Si, means I can make the switch without taking much of a hit to the wallet.
We shall see...
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That's an Accord.
derpwagon last edited by
you're an accord
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I was never a huge fan of the hatchback version of the 10th gen Civic. I like the proportions on this one a lot better. It is overall a much more conservative take on the Civic while the last gen was a little too polarizing in the looks department for me. I like it a lot but I think I like the previous gen Civic's interior better. It seems a little bit sterile, though it does match the exterior. I like the single elongated vent going across the dash but I don't see a way to put a glovebox in there.
That's an Accord.
Well yeah, but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, as the Accord is a cleaner design in many ways than the 10th gen Civic. For plain old regular car shoppers the 11th gen is a more conventionally attractive car than the one it replaces, but for modders and tuners the 10th gen Si holds its appeal.
I think I like the previous gen Civic's interior better. It seems a little bit sterile, though it does match the exterior. I like the single elongated vent going across the dash but I don't see a way to put a glovebox in there.
A lot of cars are doing that single vent look and most all of them it's a fake vent-looking panel to clean up the looks. I'm sure there'll be a perfectly normal glove box down there below them.
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I'm one of the rare folks that actually likes the 10th gen hatch. I've debated trading in the 4Runner for one.
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@texturedsoyprotein Can you get the new one with Quattro?
From the side-view, the over-hang and front wheel placement looks terrible! They need to cut some meat out of that front end.
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IMO, the front end still looks terrible. That 11th gen sedan rear looks very attractive though. 2.0T in the non-R would be nice, but I'm hoping they somehow make SH-AWD on the Type R a thing. Or even a non-R Civic. Not getting my hopes up though
2.0T in the non-R would be nice, but I'm hoping they somehow make SH-AWD on the Type R a thing. Or even a non-R Civic. Not getting my hopes up though
I think it was Motor Trend or Car & Driver or somebody who asked about the possibility of awd and Honda said no.
The Type-R hybrid rumor could involve some kind of awd but that's just a rumor.
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The 11th Civic sedan looks much better than the 10th. The mini Accord styling looks great. And the hatchback version is a huge step up!
And I agree on the chrome.
Honda needs to stop the turbo shit. The Corolla doesn't have any turbos, so it already won the battle that counts: which is better after 10 years and 200k miles? And the answer is the Corolla by a long shot.
Here's what I think Honda should do with the engines:
DX, LX, EX: R18
Si; 2.0T (250 hp Accord version)
CTR: 2.0T (300+ hp version they have now)
Perhaps they can make the Type R available as both hybrid and non-hybrid. The battery pack for the hybrid will weigh a lot!
And I really hope the Si and Type-R are hatchbacks!
CivicWagonEngineer last edited by
@texturedsoyprotein I could see the Hybrid AWD thing, akin to the NSX. Engine up front, motor(s) in the rear. I was hoping because the Camry is coming out with an AWD option that Honda would try to compete. May be a few years out though, we'll have to wait and see
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As a fan of the current Accord (the looker of its segment IMO), I like seeing the Civic take some steps toward that more conventional design.
Either way, the Si's are great cars (I've test driven a 2017) and you'll have years of enjoyment with them.
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@texturedsoyprotein I think that at this point we can just call the "hatch" a liftback sedan...
I very much like the prototype.I know this might be a bit rude, but I hate how the current Civic looks. The blue modded one in your pic is a bit better, but I'm really not a fan. I just can't get over the fake inlets/grilles. the ones at the back especially. I know a lot of carmakers are doing this, and I think they all deserve a slap in the face, but the current Civic or maybe the Supra might be the most shameful ones. The germans can take all the slaps for their fake exhaust sins.
Anyway the interior of the prototype is new to me, I haven't seen that picture yet. I absolutely love it - it's a step towards the Honda E, which I find the most exciting of any new car. I love how clean but not boring it is. The execution is crucial for a simple interior - take the Tesla as an example of a cool idea, ruined by cheap materials and flimsy build quality. A simple, clean interior really shows the errors. I don't doubt Honda in that area, tho. How do you feel about the interior quality of your car? Or reliability in general, Is the Honda build quality still good?
I think that this new prototype is a strong statement from Honda, telling us 'Oops, the current design language is too busy and aggressive - we're dialing it back for future models.' Considering that the hate for the current Civic's looks is pretty prominent, I think that the dial-back is a possible future.
I don't mind the front fake vents since those are on so many other cars. The rear ones are more dumb. But hey, my 2020 has little whiskers of body color breaking up its fake vents! (see the pic of the stock Si with the all black wheels above)
Build quality on my car is best described as cheap but good. Everything is solid and quality but not necessarily premium. There's no rattles or anything like that. The infotainment, with Android Auto, is good enough. Nothing fancy but it does what I want it to do. The car is too new to comment on reliability since I just bought it a couple months ago, promptly blew out my achilles, and have only just this week started driving again. It has a grand total of 38 miles on it now.
@victorinoo Or push the front wheels forward