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    • The Sinking of MS Hans Hedtoft - January 30th, 1959
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      @SilentbutnotreallyDeadly said in The Sinking of MS Hans Hedtoft - January 30th, 1959:

      Salted fish...?

      I was thinking along those lines, this was in the break bulk cargo days, years before containerization, so basically anything could be being sent in barrels, and they'd presumably be sending fish back to Europe on the eastbound legs, while sending other food and all sorts of consumer goods back to Greenland on the westbound.

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      RIP Hamburg Süd: 1871-2023
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      @Chariotoflove A.P. Møller–Mærsk already announced 2,000 layoffs late last year, and is also winding down a joint venture with Switzerland's Mediterranean Shipping Company, presumably this will involve cuts at Hamburg Süd's corporate headquarters in Germany, where they have about 2,800 employees, and probably other shore side operations elsewhere.

    • SS Iberia (1954-1973)
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      @ranwhenparked said in SS Iberia (1954-1973):

      @Chariotoflove it's just odd that the issues really started after that early '60s refit, what the hell did Thornycroft do to it, and how would simply installing air conditioning cause all that?

      I’m always amazed at what getting into the mechanics for one job ends up doing to other systems in the house, or the car. I’d imagine it’s the same in a ship. Sure does sound like they messed it up pretty bad. But maybe there were lurking things from manufacture?

    • SS Oceanic: 1965-2012
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      @FourMalibus

      They commonly do. I've been on ferries where the signage is in three different languages, but not necessarily the same three on each sign.

    • January 8th, 1971 - The Wreck of SS Antilles
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      It's been one week without Shiplopnik 😞

    • SS Prinzessin Victoria Luise (1901-1906) - The World's First Cruise Ship
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      @tophercrowder there's a lot of morbidity around this one, Ballin eventually died the same way in 1918, with the realization that his life's work was either sunk or about to be seized as war reparations. Also, later, in the '30s, the government nationalized the company and tried to expunge him from the historical record by renaming everything with his name on it (and there was a lot in Germany, streets, parks, a postwar ocean liner, etc)

    • MS Oslofjord: 1938-1940
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      @EssExTee

      13?
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    • MS Viking Saga (1980) - World's Unluckiest Ship?
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      @ranwhenparked Man what a life. She's a floating Theseus’s paradox

    • SS Brasil & SS Argentina - America's Last Ocean Liners
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      @ranwhenparked That was a great read, very interesting!

    • SS Heraklion Disaster - Dec. 8, 1966
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      @facw way cheaper - fares on SS United States of United States Lines one way to Le Harve started at over $200 in 1969 for Tourist Class, and that was heavily subsidized by the federal government. Cancelling the subsidies had been considered under the Johnson administration, but LBJ didn't want to be blamed for killing the ocean liners, Nixon had no such concerns and pulled funding after the '69 travel season. I believe some of it was redirected to SST research.

      Inflation adjusted, that would be over $3500 in modern money for a round trip New York-Le Havre, 3 days and change each way, and you'd still have to make your ground connection to/from Paris.

      American Airlines has direct New York to Paris flights in Coach for like $574

      Of course, modern ships are more economical to operate than ones from the 1950s. Fares on Cunard Line's Queen Mary 2 start at $1200 one way New York-Southampton today, and modern ships are effectively all-First Class now. Still way more expensive than flying coach, though, and their schedule is now a full week instead of 4 days or so, the ship is plenty fast enough to do it in less than 4, but, since people take it as a vacation now, they slow it down for a longer cruise, also saves fuel and gives plenty of margin if they need to speed up to deal with weather delays and still hit the schedule.

    • Simply Fascinating
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      @Exage03040 said in Simply Fascinating:

      You guys have the jones act

      Yeah. We've had two new builds since I moved here and I think both came out of the same yard in Louisiana.

      We actually just purchased three 2000's built offshore supply vessels from the gulf of Mexico. Once they're refit they will replace three '81 built ships of similar provenance.

      Believe it or not we've still got a boat in the fleet from the 50's. She's everybody's favorite but she had several breakdowns last year and is likely next on the chopping block.

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      Lost reactivation engineering papers rediscovered aboard Battleship New Jersey
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      @Ad-absurdum-per-aspera said in Lost reactivation engineering papers rediscovered aboard Battleship New Jersey:

      Of course, torpedoes back then, and for decades afterward for the most part, were straight or fixed-pattern runners with no target seeking capability

      Except for Germany's wake-homing and acoustic torpedoes, sure. Additionally, the IJN's Long Lance torpedoes were much better than the US Mk14 and arguably better than its replacement the Mk18.

    • Maiden Voyage of SS Conte di Savoia - Nov. 30, 1932
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      @ranwhenparked -- Rex had another interesting footnote in aviation history in 1938 when a flight of B-17's intercepted her several hundred miles out to sea as an exercise.

      Their success actually caused backlash due to interservice rivalries, but before long, with war plainly in the future, FDR gave the green light to further development of long-range bomber capabilities; and the careers of several of-whom-more-later figures of WW2 and the Cold War, of whom the most famous was Curtis LeMay, survived the brief malodor of their achievements.

    • Sinking of HMHS Britannic - November 21, 1916
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      @StuckMTB A lot of things did ultimately go right with the evacuation, and if it inevitably had to hit a mine, at least it was while sailing toward the war zone, with crew and hospital staff only, rather than on the way back with 3,000+ wounded soldiers on board

    • Disney to Operate World's First Six-Stacker?
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      @amoore100 This monstruosity should be sponsored and/or named after Moderna or Pfizer ...

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    • The Turbulent History of CV Cape May Light & CV Cape Cod Light
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      @eaeaerick $50 million was more or less in line with what comparable ships would have cost to build in Europe, vs the $76.5 million they cost in the United States, $18 million was a steal, considering they had very little use, and MARAD was spending something like $15,000 a month on upkeep the whole time

    • SS Vestris - An Entirely Avoidable Tragedy
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      @ranwhenparked

      It likely was. Again for that era.

      From what I recall it did have fire zones in the passenger area with closing doors but many of them were propped to stay open and unable to close and provide designed protection.

      I believe they also had turned off the ventilation system initially with the report of the fire but then restarted it because the smoke was so thick throughout the areas it was too difficult to search and alert passengers in danger. Typical catch 22…

      I’d have to watch the video again to confirm.

    • SS Laurentic: 1927-1940
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      @facw -- It was admittedly a very well handled U-boat, though. Sticking a second torpedo into the hole blown open by the first? Isn't that like finding and re-using the tent peg holes from last year's campsite?

      {clickety click} well, OK then -- Otto Kretschmer, on his sixth patrol in U-99 after eight in U-23. He was noted for getting inside convoys, closing with his intended quarry, and attacking on the surface with a one-torpedo, one-ship goal.

    • RMS Empress of Britain: 1931-1940
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      @facw yeah, it was a bit of an odd mix. Roman baths were a big thing on preWWI ocean liners, the Imperator of 1913 (which became Berengaria postwar, because reparations) had one modeled on the pool in the Royal Automobile Club in London, which, in turn, was modeled on Pompeii

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      Could be part of why Eaton's chose to copy their Montreal department store after Ile de France rather than the then-brand new Empress of Britain

    • Ill-Fated Sisters: SS Principessa Jolanda & SS Principessa Mafalda
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      @ranwhenparked Excellent work as always. The time it took to sink and the number of lifeboats made this disaster inexcusable. It's shocking to me how the ship could be in such a poor state when it wasn't, comparatively speaking, that old.

    • RMS Orion & Orcades (1935-1963)
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      @facw and ships generally stay in one piece, or, at most, maybe two large pieces, whereas an airliner smashing into the ocean at speed will obliterate into tiny shrapnel

    • Sidney & Tsawwassen, BC Ferries' First Ships
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      @Exage03040 said in Sidney & Tsawwassen, BC Ferries' First Ships:

      Old passenger vessels come with a lot of issues.

      Of what are undoubtedly hundreds if not thousands of examples, I'm reminded of former Canadian Coast Guard Ships Vancouver and Quadra. About destroyer size and rather dashing in appearance, they were purpose-built "weather ships" from the mid 1960s (replacing WW2 surplus vessels) that kept Station P-for-Papa in the Gulf of Alaska, where they did weather observation, aided in communication, stood by for search and rescue if needed, etc.

      They were retired in the early 80s, their mission dwindled or replaced by other technologies. Eventually some beautiful dreamer brought them to San Francisco Bay for some business idea or other. It never panned out and they rusted away for years and years on the Alameda side of the Oakland Estuary. I think that both eventually were towed away, destined for breakers' yards in China, but Quadra sank en route.
      http://www.nauticapedia.ca/dbase/Query/Shiplist4.php?&name=Quadra (C.C.G.S.)&id=21690

    • MS Estonia Disaster: September 28th, 1994
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      @ranwhenparked

      Well as we say, "No ship is large when compared to the ocean" 😉

    • SS Zion (1956-2003)
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      @ranwhenparked I still fail to understand how these monstrocities don't tip over in high winds. The center of gravity looks SO high above the waterline.

    • RMS Caronia (1948-1974)
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      jeezze the end of that story was a wild ride, what a sh@$ show.....

    • SS Deutschland (1900-1925), HAPAG's Troublesome Flagship
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      @WhoIsTheLeader in Germany, he kind of is. During the imperial period, there were a number of streets and public parks named after him, all of which were renamed in the '30s, but most of which reverted after WWII. The massive immigration processing center* he built in Hamburg harbor was destroyed in WWII, but reconstructed in the 2000s as the BallinStadt museum, and his mansion is now the UNESCO Institute for Lifelong Learning.

      Also, the group that owns HAPAG Lloyd AG today calls themselves the Albert Ballin Consortium

      *HAPAG brought in immigrants from all over eastern & central Europe, housed them until they were able to sail, and, while there, assisted them in completing all their necessary paperwork, making further travel arrangements for after their arrival in the US, putting them through medical prechecks to avoid issues at Ellis Island, and treating/quarantining them as necessary. The whole complex was designed to resemble a Tyrolean village to make it as pleasant and familiar as possible for the people staying there. They were really the only shipping company with their own facility like that.

    • The Ships That Didn't Make It
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      @Exage03040 I believe they were to have been Burmeister & Wain models, built under license by Harland & Wolff in house. H&W were really skeptical of the practicality of the arrangement and argued heavily in favor of a steam turbine system, but Royal Mail Group got their way, sort of. The plans started out for direct drive engines, and settled on diesel-electric as a compromise which the shipyard believed they could make work acceptably .

      In comparison, the largest diesel ship to enter service before the war was White Star's Georgic of 1932, also built by Harland & Wolff with licensed B&W engines, and ordered as a substitute for the cancellation of Oceanic . At 28,000 gross tons, less than half the size of the planned Oceanic, and she only had two 10-cylinder engines in a direct drive arrangement. Kind of an open question how reliable Oceanic would have been in practice, especially early on as inevitable bugs would have had to have been worked out

    • SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse: 1897-1914
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      @Ad-absurdum-per-aspera I also mixed up pictures a bit, that was the sister ship Kaiser Wilhelm II from 1903.

      The same room on the 4 sisters:

      Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse (1897)
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      Kronprinz Wilhelm (1901) - later Von Steuben
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      Kaiser Wilhelm II (1903) - later Agamemnon and Monticello
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      Kronprinzessin Cecilie (1906) - later Mount Vernon
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      Prewar German ships were crazy elaborate, the domestic competition:

      Deutschland (1900) - later Viktoria Luise and Hansa
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      Imperator (1913) - later Berengaria
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      Vaterland (1914) - later Leviathan
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      Majestic (1922) -launched before the war as Bismarck - later Caledonia
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      And NDL's own successors to the Kaiser-class

      Homeric (1922) - launched before the war as Columbus
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      Columbus (1924) - laid down before the war as Hindenburg
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    • SS Bremen (1929-1941) and SS Europa (1930-1963)
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      @pickup_man yes, it was 1939, so the US was neutral, they disembarked passengers and turned around. Technically, they could have sailed back with paying passengers also, but I believe it was the captain who made the call to return empty. There were still civilian ships running service from the US to Europe up through December 1941. Part of why the British captain probably wasn't sure if he should sink it or not, it was grey, but it was an ocean liner on a return crossing from New York and theoretically could have still had civilian passengers

      You can paint underway with hanging platforms on ropes. As far as where the paint came from, I have no idea, they may have bought it in New York, they may have already had it on board already. Initially, it was grey, and they properly repainted in dazzle camouflage when it arrived back in Germany

    • SS City of New York: 1888-1922
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    • SS Rex 1932-1944
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    • The SS Eastland Disaster - July 24, 1915
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      @Ad-absurdum-per-aspera

      Also, speaking of the next war, for the longest time, people generally assumed this was German sabotage - mainly because the Navy kept the real reason classified for awhile, on the grounds it was too embarrassing/damaging to morale

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    • RMS Franconia (1911-1916) and RMS Laconia (1912-1917)
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      @WhoIsTheLeader it was pretty bad, yes. The list was so severe that only half the lifeboats were launchable, so the crew left the prisoners locked in the holds and evacuated themselves. The Italians who did break out as the ship sank were shot in the water or had their hands hit with hatchets if they swam to a lifeboat and tried to climb in. A couple German U-boats surfaced under white flags and tried to pick up Allied and Axis survivors, but got strafed by a US bomber, whole thing was a huge mess

    • SS City of Milwaukee (1931)
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      @ranwhenparked another great write-up, they're always appreciated!

      Allow me to add one thing: the Grand Trunk Western logo bears a striking resemblance to the original CNR logo, making the kinship between the two companies quite obvious!

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      When the new CN logo was released, the new GT logo followed suit. It was, in fact, the GT logo that tipped me off with its use of the same distinctive type face.

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      The story of the logo can be found here: https://www.logodesignlove.com/cn-logo-evolution

    • SS Vaterland/Leviathan: 1914-1938
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      @gmporschenut-also-a-fan-of-hondas That makes a lot of sense too!

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      The shipping news
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      @Cé-hé-sin lucky no cyclists on the path

    • SS Keewatin (1907)
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      given that Canada is the center of the United States entertainment industry

      The things you learn here on Oppo!

    • SS Champlain (1932-1940)
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      @Future-Next-Gen-S2000-Owner by ship standards, they're pretty high for modern times - transatlantic fares on Queen Mary 2 start at around $1,400 for a 7-day crossing today, and Cunard Line would be essentially all-first class nowadays

    • RMS Niagara (1913-1940)
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      @ranwhenparked Shhhhhh, I'm reading.

    • MS Bergensfjord (1956-1980)
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      @gmporschenut-also-a-fan-of-hondas doesn't ring a bell, there's Le Malin, but that never sank

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_destroyer_Le_Malin

      A couple of those WWI concrete ships were turned into jetties later on, but that sounds like a different situation

    • Galileo Galilei & Guglielmo Marconi (1963)
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      I'm not a big ship person but I read all your stuff and enjoy it. Also, purposely misread Marconi as macaroni every time to give myself a sensible chuckle.

    • Oops
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      @Exage03040 Thanks for the explanation!

    • RMS Empress of Ireland - May 29, 1914
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      @ttyymmnn It did weigh as much as something like 22 A380s. Granted planes tend to be made of lighter stuff than ships, but yeah big either way.

      Hopefully we've learned from these disasters, though difficulties launching lifeboats due to a list was still a thing even for the Costa Concordia relatively recently. Seems like you have the problem that evacuating the ship is too dangerous to do while there's hope of saving the ship, but by the time the ship is doomed, evacuations get really tricky.

    • Cunard's Saxonia Class: 1954-1957
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      @ranwhenparked

      dispersing soot and smoke away from the environment.

      Has someone been watching too much John Clarke, perhaps?

    • SS Nieuw Amsterdam - Maiden Voyage, May 10, 1938
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      @Roadkilled Yeah, that was to be closer to the Alaska cruise market, which they dominated at the time.

      Their parent company was originally Nederlandsch-Amerikaansche Stoomvaart Maatschappij NV (Netherlands-American Steamship Company), when the shipping industry became more volatile, they started diversifying into other businesses and became something of a conglomerate. After they sold the cruise ship division to Carnival, they stayed in business and changed their name to HAL Investments NV, but still keeping the old NASM house flag as their logo. They tried to get back into the industry in the mid 90s by buying the Royal Cruise Line division of Kloster Group, but Carnival threatened a lawsuit over a non-compete clause in the Holland America Line sale agreement.

      They do still have some involvement in shipping, as they own the controlling stake in Anthony Veder, Dutch shipping company with a fleet of gas tankers

    • May 7th, 1915 - Sinking of the Lusitania
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      @facw Cunard could have insisted on it, but they didn't care, they provided the basic spec design, and the shipyards' in-house engineering departments were allowed to make improvements, as long as the contractual requirements were fulfilled. I think Cunard believed it would pit the yards against each other in competition and deliver better ships. Ultimately, although both met the performance requirements, Mauretania was notably faster, due to the longer hull and different propellor blades, but Lusitania had less serious vibration problems, so the strategy probably did work out

      As for which yard won, Lusitania's builders John Brown & Company in Scotland got the contract for the much bigger Aquitania, but they were already Cunard's favorite shipbuilder anyway, so not sure you can read much into that.

    • The Sultana Disaster - April 27, 1865
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      Crazy story that I had never heard, and it was less than a year after my first American ancestor had arrived from Germany to be stationed on ironclads around Vicksburg towards the end of the war. We don't have any written records of his accounts, but the general consensus was that river life during the war (and immediately after) was really a Wild West experience. Especially when a small contingent of CSA troops -- many fleeing to Texas to fulfill Jeff Davis's insane dream of rebuilding everything there -- were still putting up guerilla fights all along the migration routes westward, and generally refused to accept that all the serious generals had gone along with Lee's surrender to prevent further bloodshed.

    • SS France - Maiden Voyage: April 20, 1912
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      Sounds like the old girl died with a lot of life and unrealized potential in her.

    • The Moby Prince Disaster April 10-11, 1991
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      @ranwhenparked Horrific. It's odd that I don't remember a lot of these disasters that you've posted about, yet some do stand out in my memory, like Herald of Free Enterprise and Estonia. It also creeps me out how some of these vessels then sit for ages before being disposed of. Where I grew up, there was a fishing boat that capsized with the loss of all crew that ended up a museum exhibit. Macabre.

    • BJ

      The Sinking of the Oceanos (1991)
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      @dtg11 I thought I heard this story before. It is a cool tale tho.

    • The MS Scandinavian Star Fire - April 7th, 1990
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      @Exage03040 Well, that was terrifying!

    • TopGear report on Felicity Ace manifest
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      @KngT 144 less Audi Q3 sportbacks in the world. i'm ok with that.

    • Wreck and Salvage of SS Suevic
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      Wow, this might be my favorite of the series. So many twists and turns here, thanks for the excellent write-up!

    • RMS Windsor Castle & Arundel Castle
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      @KITT222 that's exactly right, same model. Able to launch from either side of the shop and equipped with their own dedicated generators in the event of power failure

    • SS Canberra (1961-1997)
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      @facw Might be some sort of rust proofing primer, or it dries different

    • Cool - literally
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      @іди-на-хуй-Влад-formerly-known-as-Distraxi

      This is amazing. If you get the chance to read Shackleton's book "South!" I recommend it. That was a hell of an expedition they went on.

    • SS Kenya Castle (1952)
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      @BJ Yeah, unfortunately, that sort of experience is only for the well-heeled today, but, time was, you could get a ship like that in every price segment. Chandris were a low end/budget priced line, but had a reputation for immaculately maintained, spotlessly clean ships, attentive staff, and excellent Greek cuisine. They didn't have the biggest and fanciest ships or the most modern amenities, but they took the savings and spent in other areas. They were also one of the last lines in their price range to shift to the flag of convenience model, remaining Greek registered into the 1980s, and continuing to employ mostly Greek nationals after switching to Panamanian or Liberian registry.

      Something like Celebrity's early ships, Horizon and Zenith, was about perfect for me. Big enough to have all the stuff you really wanted, small enough to find your way around easily and also not too crowded. Just find a comfortable chair with an ocean view, enjoy a cocktail or a coffee, and catch up on some reading. But, modern economies of scale work against ships like that, unless the margin per passenger can be made insanely high.

    • Just Jeepin'

      Sure, it’s no Ever Given
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      @Just-Jeepin

      The Ever Given drives mostly in straight lines. Barges like that one have to navigate rivers.

      Just getting to Baton Rouge is a challenge.
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    • MS Herald of Free Enterprise Disaster (1987)
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      @ranwhenparked
      Astonishing incompetence.