@ranwhenparked
This seems like a win win for the new owners, plenty of storage for vehicles, equipment, etc... but also great accommodation for staff, owners, etc...

@nowhere Yes, that sub was the one in New West. It was pretty scruffy, but it was neat to walk through it. I’d like to see the Onondaga one day as well.

@ttyymmnn said in RMS Windsor Castle - Union Castle's Last Ship:

@ranwhenparked

but the idea of sailing around in one of those modern behemoths with thousands of other people just sounds miserable to me. This, on the other hand, looks like it would be a wonderful trip.

Pre-pandemic I might have disagreed some, now I dunno. In a previous life I took a few and enjoyed them (10+ years ago) - always Royal Caribbean as they were less drunken party boat and more excursion or cruiser people boats, also they'd run faster than the others so you had longer in port. Also out of FL not Galveston - used to be better boats and better ports. Balcony room, always on shore if possible or if at sea on the back deck where it's quiet or the balcony. Sunsets or sunrise w/breakfast on the balcony ain't bad. So it's not all horrible - even as an introvert, also not cheap either. But a good way to see places you'd not go purposely to on your own. Treatment of the workers is something I'm more aware of now though, which is a concern. The wife doesn't like the thought of cruises in general but does like the idea of doing a Med or a European river cruise - which in particular might be fun with a smaller boats.

Spend enough time on workboats in the GoM in four man cabins eating greasy food and drinking burned coffee working crazy hours and none of it is appealing anymore anyways lol.

@ranwhenparked Interesting to learn this timeline. My parents most certainly contributed to that fund, and my dad would have been among the first people to train on the Freewinds.

@mastermario said in late night oppo:

@pip-bip https://tenor.com/bzMPS.gif

That is the best thing I've ever seen.

@skyfire77 This ships vs boats debate has gone on a long time. I'm familiar with all your arguments. Sparrow is a blue water only vessel (6.5' draft) but she is not a ship at 40'. I had an RC boat aboard Sparrow once but that didn't make her a ship. 🙂 After all these years of being around boats (and ships),I relearned my argument a week ago and am testing it.

I don't want to hijack your topic so this should probably go into a new one. Lemme think about writing it....

@ranwhenparked Also, I'm pleased that this one was easy to find on Google Earth:
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Not surprising since it sounds like it doesn't get out of Wonsan much these days.

@skyfire77 get another freight carrier up behind it, attach a line and go in reverse. see of it helps.

@distraxi said in Just Me Remembering the Times I Told People System Safety was a Worthwhile Exercise:

Beats having containers hijacked off trucks, which we've had happen to us a few times. At least they'll get it back eventually....

We are currently getting some machinery from Brazil at work (Canada) Shipping it via container ship rather than ground truck for just this reason.

@whoistheleader They did consider saving some of the choicer pieces, plus what was apparently a very nice grand piano, for use on their other ships, including the aborted rebuild of United States that they were still deliberating on, but none of that happened, either. By 2004, NCL/Star were ready to wash their hands of anything remotely connected to Norway. Laziness, I guess, also probably that Norwegian Cruise Line's current clientele is likely far more interested in booze and unlimited buffets than admiring the onboard artwork, not really needed for their current operations, they only had it in the first place because it happened to come with the ship.

@eric You can sometimes book directly through the shipping companies, like CMA CGM French Line or Safmarine, and there's also travel agencies that specialize in it. Most of them have a lounge, maybe a card room, a gym, and some deck space for passengers, with meals taken with the crew. Some lines are more luxurious than others, CMA CGM still follows the French Line's tradition of serving good food.

https://voyagesencargo.com/freighter-cruise

https://www.freightercruises.com/

A lot of people claim that it is a greener way to travel than jets, less CO2 per mile per ton moved. Greta Thunberg opted to take a container ship to the US for that reason.

@bandit I agree. This is a subject I've never given 10 seconds of thought to, but these stories are facinating. They're so well researched and we'll written.

@mastermario Wow. That is tragic.

@facw Last April I went deep deep into the Drachinifel channel. Armor matches what is typical for the shell they would face. pre ww1 that was 10 to then 12 inch guns. There is also a practical limit based on the number of turrets that could be fitted as at most they could only be one superfiring With twin turrets the norm, it is difficult to add more turrets wihtout making the ship longer. This becomes dangerous as youre then increasing the size of the critical zones that need to be armored. Some had turrets side by side, but this meant in action you have one facing the wrong direction and useless
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you kind of hit a point where there is no advantage to go bigger, and instead build 2 ships than one super large one.

@exage03040 Might have been an electrical thing, you know how hard those can be to prove.

Shiplopnick, planelopnick, let's lopnick all the things!
Very good read, thanks.

@pip-bip you could say that

@roadkilled I grew up in Jeff City, and remember helping neighbors closer to nearby creeks sandbag around their homes. And then again 2 years later...

@roadkilled I know what you mean. Same can happen with cars, some will moan about a car being scrapped or sent to the demo derby - when the seller had it for sale at $500 for months and nobody would touch it.

In an area as relatively young as the Puget Sound rat race, historical preservation can be lax. An 1896 house in Seattle is likely in the oldest couple percent if not the oldest one percent of housing stock. Those who whine about the "character" changing also wouldn't trade the appreciation in housing values they blindly stumbled into for much lower values in an area with less new development.

@whoistheleader Don't worry, I'm sure there was probably some pâté involved as well.

@classicdatsundebate

@facw American Queen Steamboat Company has already announced mandatory proof of vaccination for all passengers when/if they resume; think they're the first one to do that. Which makes sense, considering their clientele tends to be toward the older end of the scale, and the elderly seem to have been some of the most difficult when it comes to selectively following orders.

@ranwhenparked said in Operational Steamboats - PT 2: And the Rest:

@racinbob the tree trunks were not a joke, along with floating logs. River was like a natural minefield

That's what makes the Great Red River Raft such an interesting story. It was a natural log jam that extended for about 130 miles along the Red River, north of Natchitoches, Louisiana. It was cleared by the Army Corps of Engineers using a specially designed "snag boat" which could remove the logs. After the jam was cleared, the geography and hydrology of the region changed.

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@ranwhenparked True. It was a newer version of something old enough to become fashionably antiquated. I'm really surprised it was built new as late as it was.

@whoistheleader Oh yeah, the Stockholm, thanks to COVID, that one probably has a date with the cutting torch in the near future.