Flogger pilots were confident that they could defeat USAF F-4 Phantoms, but the new F-16 Falcons were judged to be a fair match, and the F-15 Eagles were feared.
Funnily enough the -23s that aren't the export specials might have come out ahead of the Viper, since early Vipers didn't have BVR capabilities, strike fighter first and all that.
The Flogger's advanced design and ongoing QC issues
The cockpit design isn't very good, although it is from the age before ergonomics were seriously considered in aircraft cockpit design. Early variants also handled horribly at high angles of attack. Some Constant Peg accounts go as far as to say that it tried to kill them every flight... and one actually killed General Robert Bond, although stupidity on his part also did a lot of work (pretty surprised you didn't manage to wedge that in).
Land Rover weren't doing so well for a period and the Discovery got a bad name, so Land Rover renamed them in North America and the middle east as
LR2 for Freelander,
LR3 for Discovery 3 (2004-2009) (second gen),
LR4 for Discovery 4 (2009-2016) (second gen facelift).
for the fourth get it went back to Discovery.
I like the Disco 4 based Supacat LRV 400 Mk2. Tasty.
@mr-ontop I agree about the Aztek, if you put one out in the wild these days it would blend in a lot better than when introduced. I was actually just looking for a clad car from Pontiac because they did it a lot.
Two theories on the Aztek looking better:
Aztek was ahead of it's time, or
As other vehicles have gotten bigger and uglier (and meaner looking, with squinty eye headlamps) the Aztek looks less bad, or at least blends in better
@highlander I've noticed that happens in the Northeast, when the temperature hits 50 on one day in the winter, after a string of days in the 20s or 30s. People suddenly think it's shorts weather, then keep wearing them for several days after temps drop again.
Then you have crazies, like that one old coworker from my brief time at UPS, who just choose to pretend winter doesn't exist at all
@davesaddiction@Tripper I appreciate that! Hahaha. I think the Camaro was probably a better starting point because:
bigger wheel arches fit the A/T tires without modifying anything
torquey turbo engine (An 8k RPM S54 sounds like it’d be really unhappy spinning offroad tires by comparison)
space in the trunk for a full size spare, no cutting necessary
I’m grateful my Camaro has the above advantages, because I have neither the skill nor patience to go to the lengths the seller did for his build.
I always wondered why Chevrolet did very little in the way of performance versions of the Cruze in the U.S. They raced "over the pond" and won the European touring car championship in 2010, 11 & 12. And this semi-green paint job is quite attractive too!